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  1. Elaine Nelson
    24 January 2016 @ 6:59 pm

    Does religious liberty extend to employees like Kim Davis who refused to issue legal marriage licenses to same sex couples because she did not agree/approve with same sex marriage although legal in Kentucky?

    Does it extend to pharmacists who are against contraceptives or the “morning after pill” because their personal religious beliefs object to their use? How does one differentiate between the freedom Of and freedom FROM religion with two contradictory positions?

  2. Tim
    29 January 2016 @ 12:01 pm

    Kim Davis crossed the line when she tried to declare “I will not do it, to it cannot be done here .” She went from seeking a religious right to giving a mandate.

  3. Roger Metzger
    29 January 2016 @ 12:22 pm

    What is your perspective on religious liberty in the workplace? a) that of the employer who owns or manages a business largely out of a desire to be able to tell other people what to do (and when)? or b) that of an employee who thinks that religious liberty means you should get paid whether or not you do what you are told to do (and when)? or c) that of an employee who is disgusted that other employees preferences are honored because they have a “religious” basis while your own preferences (to have Saturday off, for example) are ignored because they lack a “religious” basis?

    When someone finally told me the answer, I wondered why I hadn’t thought of it before.

    Before Johnny Been (pronounced Bean) was divorced, he worked for a company in California that combined self-scheduling with “shift differentials”. Each employee created his own work schedule. Whenever the company wanted more employees to work a given time of day or day of the week (or holiday) than there were volunteers to work those times, the company gradually raised the “shift differential” (the amount of extra pay for that shift or day) until there were enough employees willing to schedule themselves for those shifts or days. Before Mr. Been moved to Utah to be near his son, most of the employees who worked holidays were paid double time. There were very few holidays when not enough employees scheduled themselves. On those few days per year, the company shut down.

  4. Roger Metzger
    29 January 2016 @ 12:38 pm

    First there was the definition of religious liberty: Freedom from coercion with regard to religious beliefs, religious practices and religious prohibitions.

    Then there was the definition: Freedom to worship as we please.

    Or this one: Freedom to use the government to impose religious beliefs, religious practices or religious prohibitions on the general population.

    Now there is a new definition: Freedom for Mr. A to circumvent laws about discrimination by claiming that his religious convictions require him to discriminate against Mr. B because Mr. A thinks Mr. B’s activities or lifestyle is sinful.

    In a way similar to how conservatives actions in the past have come back to bite us, this new definition of “religious liberty” will too. Mark my words.

    The alternative is to work diligently to use and urge others to use the first definition above. At every opportunity, when someone uses the phrase, “religious liberty”, ask him to tell you which of the above definitions he intends by that phrase. Or, if it is a politician, ask your friends, family members and co-workers what they think the politician means by “religious liberty”.

    I’ve been doing this ever since the mid-eighties when I first realized there was more than one definition. I seem to be practically alone in doing so however. I now believe the majority even of SdAs in the United States have no idea what “religious liberty” meant 50 or 60 years ago.