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  1. Carrol Grady
    27 March 2015 @ 10:44 am

    I sincerely hope not.

    • susan lutz
      05 September 2015 @ 9:06 pm

      you must be democrate or progressive
      but for sure you speak with a condescending arrogant tone.

    • Riolion
      03 December 2015 @ 11:15 am

      Much depends upon how deeply she believes in the bad theology of olde Ellen White – a crazy old woman who suffered from all sorts of disallusory mental ilnesses

      • Bruco
        23 January 2016 @ 7:51 pm

        From a KJV Bible you show me where Ellen G White was wrong.

        • Hansen
          14 February 2016 @ 6:47 pm

          EGW was wrong when she said “transgression of the Law is the only definition of sin in the Bible” if you interpret that to mean breaking the Decalogue.

  2. Richard Lawson
    27 March 2015 @ 10:44 am

    I have been told that Warren Harding’s wife was an Adventist. I guess not?

    • Carrol Grady
      27 March 2015 @ 11:02 am

      I think you are right, Richard.

      • Wonda
        31 March 2015 @ 2:20 pm

        I also have that understanding.

    • Richard Lawson
      27 March 2015 @ 11:41 am

      Maybe since he was a philanderer like some more recent Presidents, she doesn’t count.

    • Monte Sahlin
      27 March 2015 @ 12:21 pm

      Richard, Warren Harding’s mother, sister and brother were Adventists, not his wife.

      • Richard Lawson
        27 March 2015 @ 4:56 pm

        Thank you Monte

  3. Mary Joanne Roth
    27 March 2015 @ 10:52 am

    I doubt very much that she is an SDA today.

    • Dan Kelly
      27 March 2015 @ 6:35 pm

      And, pray tell, upon what do you base that hypothetical doubt??

      • Carol Allred
        30 March 2015 @ 7:16 am

        I recently moved after living in Houston for 7 years. I’m pretty well acquainted with the SDA subculture there. Never heard of them at all within that context.

    • John welsh
      19 May 2015 @ 1:12 pm

      I doubt she is an SDA today as well. She is smart enough to read and understand the bible the way most christians do and not the twisted way SDA people do under Ellen White glasses.

      I pray for her and all SDA people to be impartial and study the bible, don’t be fooled by the sabbath school lessons which contain directly and indirectly a lot of E. White heresies. Don’t be fooled by your pastors who many are lazy and are there just for the good pay, don’t be fooled by your tradition.

      Jesus is the way, the truth, the life.

      • mike
        07 August 2015 @ 9:59 am

        I don’t know where that came from.

        I became an adventist without having read any of E.G. White “Heresies”.

        Solo scriptura.

        • Benny Roberson
          15 August 2015 @ 10:11 pm

          I too became an SDA on January,1 1976.It was the study of the Bible and the truth about many things that was being incorrectly taught by many, that led me to become a member. I have been very thankful to God for the clear teachings of the Bible as taught by the Seventh-Day Adventist church.No trouble with doctrine here.

          • Elaine Nelson
            25 August 2015 @ 9:02 am

            Benny, you wrote:

            “I too became an SDA on January,1 1976.It was the study of the Bible and the truth about many things that was being incorrectly taught by many, that led me to become a member. I have been very thankful to God for the clear teachings of the Bible as taught by the Seventh-Day Adventist church.

            Was your study of the Bible without any Adventist assistance that led you to membership? How else did you know that things were “incorrectly taught”? Who corrected them?
            How were you certain that SdA doctrines were correct and all that you were previously taught were in error? Did you suddenly become of errors on your own?

            There is also the obverse: I was taught and believed for nearly 70 years that all the SdA doctrines had to be true because the church told me so. When I began studying for myself with no teachers I discovered that parts of the Bible were simply overlooked and unmentioned: texts that became the antithesis of what Adventists taught.

            At that time, I had to choose whether to follow my own reasoning and left the church as there had been deception in revealing the true meaning of Bible texts that were key points for their doctrines.

          • PM
            23 January 2016 @ 7:57 pm

            Elaine..and there you mention “on your own”. While the Lord stands at the door and knocks, you jave to open the door. Hopefully your study “on your own” was not, and with prayer. Otherwise it’s you against the adversary, who doesn’t knock but barges in. If and when that happens we lose.

      • Jack Giacomazzi
        07 August 2015 @ 10:00 am

        John Welsh, you are so misinformed about Adventism.They are totally Bible based, as was Ellen White. Now before you jump to a wrong conclusion,let me inform you that I am not an Adventist, just a reader of the Bible. Perhaps you should read it too. I submit this in Christian love. Jack

      • Claudia
        13 August 2015 @ 11:27 pm

        John you are the one that really need to read carefully each page of the bible and find out by yourself , but please pray first and the Holy spirit to guide you.Do not judge and jump to conclusions out of ignorance. I will have you in my prayer list so you listen God’s voice, the bible.God bless you!

      • Hansen
        25 August 2015 @ 7:39 am

        Interesting post, John. Do you really think pastoral pay is good or is that relative to other jobs they might find? An acquaintance of mine went into pastoral work instead of correctional work,eventually becoming a military chaplain.

        He’s not lazy either but I know what you mean. A lot of pastors appear lazy but their time is taken up by busy work that other people should be doing. Maybe they are just inefficient, not lazy?

      • Bruco
        23 January 2016 @ 7:53 pm

        Lol Tradition? Your one to talk, seeing as you disregard the 4th commandment. You go by the traditions of man.

      • Sam
        14 February 2016 @ 3:36 pm

        That’s such a foolish comment. Ellen White’s teachings come direct from the bible and have not been proven false. What you think you know is so much less of what you don’t know.

      • Michael Perez
        12 March 2016 @ 9:45 pm

        Lazy? I can tell you know nothing about them. They work hard and sometimes dont even sleep much because of their busy schedule. Also, the pay aint great… I will admit, there are a few bad apples, but not all of them. Lets not get confused here.

  4. Rich DuBose
    27 March 2015 @ 11:11 am

    I’m not sure this is something we would be proud of. But I don’t think we have anything to worry about.

    • Dan Appel
      02 April 2015 @ 10:15 pm


      What is intriguing is the possibility of the wife of one candidate bering an Adventist and another candidate – Ben Carson – an Adventist. And, since politics sometimes works this way, one could be President and the other the wife of the VP or visa versa.

  5. Don Lewis
    27 March 2015 @ 11:38 am

    I find mr Cruz a very polarizing figure. His comment regarding the constitution should be analyzed by thoughtful adventists. We Adventists who do see a political/ religious power structure encroached in our government detrimental to religious liberty should be very weary of these sort of candidates even with their Adventist connections. ( dr Ben Carson comes to mind in regards to some of his observations, a man I very much respected). Of course many of our people tend to be hard right in their politics and very legalistic in their religion. These are interesting times. I hope we don’t find ourselves supporting those who could be our worse foes.

    • Richard Lawson
      27 March 2015 @ 11:44 am

      We may very well happen to support a future enemy either through ignorance or lack of good choices.

    • Sam
      27 March 2015 @ 5:50 pm

      Ummm…Reclaiming the Constitution which provides for the separation of powers would be in line with Adventist beliefs. “Give to ceasar those things that are ceasars and give to God those things that are God’s”

      The article made a claim about Cruz being possibly out of line with Adventist views but did not cite any instance with fact. Article robably written by a Democrat or a Rhino Operative 😉

    • JM Jm John McCaull
      04 April 2015 @ 5:10 pm

      So true. The greater danger is from the far right than the far left, as annoying as they can be.

  6. earl calahan
    27 March 2015 @ 12:04 pm

    The USA Congressional/Senate body is a flawed corrupt organization. Those who last more than one term join the “CLUB”, or, are shunted aside and have no input in policies are laws. Any one giving support to either the Republicans or Democrats are aiding and abetting the ongoing corruption. The are totally in agreement of “ONE WORLD GOVT”, and one “GLOBAL CURRENCY”, which will result in an “ELITE” and a poverty based peasant majority, serving the “ELITE”. Back to the DARK AGES”.

  7. Mike
    27 March 2015 @ 12:58 pm

    I have decided I will only vote for candidates who have had experience running a state as governor or who had a major leadership role in either business or military.

    Ted Cruz should run for governor, get some experience and then run for president.

    At least Ben Carson has had experience running a medical facility. That suggests to me he may be fit to serve as president.

    Whomever ends up as the lead dog in the race to president should advocate for respecting the constitution. Without the constitution there is no America as my parents knew it.

    • Dalton Klein
      29 March 2015 @ 10:56 pm

      I read on BarelyAdventist that Dr. Carson has been selected as the VP running mate for Sen. Cruz. If it’s true, it’s a wonderful combo.

      • Carol Allred
        30 March 2015 @ 7:20 am

        Good grief, nothing on Barely Adventist is true. Too many gullible people is why I wish that publication didn’t exist.

  8. Loren Seibold
    27 March 2015 @ 1:08 pm

    I’m having identity crisis: both of the SDA-connected candidates are frightening to me, re the future of our country.

    • Eric Flynn
      27 March 2015 @ 3:08 pm

      Loren, I could not agree more! Both Carson and Cruz are absolutely terrifying candidates on every issue that matters: stewardship of the environment, social justice, wealth inequality and it pains me in the case of Dr Carson, clueless about race inequality and religious liberty. SDAs have a venerated and venerable position on religious liberty for all, but if you listen to Dr Carson’s recent speeches, he has fully embraced the Evangelical fringe.

      • Richard Lawson
        27 March 2015 @ 8:30 pm

        “fully embraced”? Just because Carson talks about returning America to its religious roots and about supporting Israel does not mean that he has become an Evangelical. I have not heard him talk about a 7-year tribulation following a secret rapture, or a millennium on Earth with Christ as King.

        • FredShoey
          27 March 2015 @ 11:07 pm

          The religious roots are Calvinism (Puritans), Quakers, Catholicism, Anglicans and the rise of Evangelicalism. Which one of these do you think he longs for?

          • Allan J
            27 March 2015 @ 11:24 pm

            Are you serious?! Just because he uses the words “religious roots” you think he means that?

      • Allan J
        27 March 2015 @ 11:25 pm

        “embraced the Evangelical fringe” – how is that?

      • Benny Roberson
        15 August 2015 @ 10:18 pm

        I too became an SDA on January,1 1976.It was the study of the Bible and the truth about many things that was being incorrectly taught by many, that led me to become a member. I have been very thankful to God for the clear teachings of the Bible as taught by the Seventh-Day Adventist church.No trouble with doctrine here.

    • William Noel
      27 March 2015 @ 6:09 pm

      With a reaction like that, are you afraid they’re really Jesuits? Or closet operatives for ISIS?

      • Mark Green
        27 March 2015 @ 7:29 pm

        They are definitely Jesuits. There’s a Jesuit under every rock. Or at least on every SDA college faculty and the Andrews Seminary. They have infiltrated the highest echelons of General Conference administration. So of course some of the SDA-connected political candidates are Jesuits. You know how you can tell for sure who is a Jesuit? It’s when they deny it. They obviously have something to hide. When they deny it, that just proves it more. Look how this well-known Jesuit Bacchiocchi denied it: . (Who knows, even I may be a Jesuit. I don’t think so, but anything is possible.)

        • Richard Lawson
          27 March 2015 @ 8:27 pm

          Don’t be so paranoid. Neither the Catholic church nor the Jesuits care about the SDA church. In the last century, we have not been a threat to them. The “rapid” growth of the SDA church to nearly 20 million members now is nothing compared to their size and power. We are not anywhere close to inflicting the type of damage that Martin Luther or most of the other reformers did.

          • Mark Green
            28 March 2015 @ 1:31 pm

            “(Who knows, even I may be a Jesuit. I don’t think so, but anything is possible.)” I guess you didn’t get the joke.

          • Sam Khan
            28 March 2015 @ 1:52 pm

            Ah! Richard Lawson is a Jesuit, too. You can tell by his denials. Nice try, Richard. We can see right through you.

          • Richard Lawson
            28 March 2015 @ 3:59 pm

            Haha! Not sure if I should confess or sue!

    • George Tichy
      28 March 2015 @ 7:13 am

      I am having the same difficulty thinking of the only one candidate (in SA2015) as related to the future of our Church…

    • John
      28 March 2015 @ 2:19 pm

      Frightening indeed, yet I see time and time again, others of my denomination who should know the warning signs seem totally oblivious and support candidates and ideas that violate the individual or who propose laws that will inevitably lead to real persecution, and who do so under the very guise of religious freedom. Sad.

    • Donna Lambert
      28 March 2015 @ 7:27 pm

      And Obama is not frightening to you???

      • Richard
        28 March 2015 @ 7:43 pm

        YES, INDEED HE IS. MUSLIMS ARE FRIGHTENING PEOPLE!!! Those who appear to be calm in this country are just waiting for their moment to break loose, BTW there are a lot more of them in this country than most of you realize!!!

        • Starla
          29 March 2015 @ 2:24 am

          Really? This is a serious comment.? If it is, then you are willfully and woefully ignorant.

    • Elaine Nelson
      31 March 2015 @ 2:34 pm

      And if they weren’t frightening, would they be good Adventists in politics and the federal government? How would it be possible to faithfully follow the SdA church’s position in such office?

    • Karen Kory
      09 May 2015 @ 7:43 pm

      Agreed! neither is a good representative for what we believe as a church and I can’t understand the excitement Carson, especially, seems to generate among the “faithful.” His cavalier attitude regarding Sabbath observance is so sad.

  9. David Patterson
    27 March 2015 @ 1:31 pm

    A Cruz/Carson ticket would give us a 75% SDA representation.

    • John
      28 March 2015 @ 2:20 pm

      and this is a good thing? adventists heading up the lamb like beast. nice…

    • Elaine Nelson
      31 March 2015 @ 2:34 pm

      Is that the kind of representation to make Adventists proud?

  10. Just Wondering
    27 March 2015 @ 3:31 pm

    Won’t it be really strange if we get a woman in the White House before we get women ordained as ministers in the Adventist church?

    • Richard
      28 March 2015 @ 7:45 pm

      Like who cares about that??

  11. George Tichy
    27 March 2015 @ 3:44 pm

    Calm down, just relax everybody. Cruz is just doing his crazy thing again!

    But if the crazys actually elect him, … well, then …. be prepared to flee the country fast!

    • Donna Lambert
      28 March 2015 @ 7:28 pm

      It was the crazies that elected Obama.

      • Starla
        29 March 2015 @ 2:28 am

        I would try to answer this comment, but you wouldn’t understand. If you fight with an idiot, within 10 minutes there are 2 idiots.

        • Georges Tichy
          30 March 2015 @ 7:19 am

          Not worth even 1 minute. People who write that would never understand your (or my) answer.

      • Interested Friend
        01 April 2015 @ 11:31 am

        Obama is the worst in decades and it may be the country will never fully recover from his insistence on his way.
        I personally believe neither Cruz or the Dr will make it.
        The Doc made an excellent speech at the Prayer Breakfast and should built on that to improve things in our fair land rather than being wheedled into running for President.

        • William Noel
          01 April 2015 @ 12:25 pm

          Haste not to make political predictions. When Obama first announced he was running for President, every major newspaper in America declared there was no way a junior, first-term senator could beat Hillary Clinton. Political pundits have been saying similar things about every person elected president in my lifetime. So the greatest certainty in politics this far ahead of November 2016 is that most of the predictions made today will be wrong.

      • Benny Roberson
        15 August 2015 @ 10:27 pm

        That’s right Donna. It was the very misinformed that put Obama into office. And sad to say they did it twice!

    • William Noel
      01 April 2015 @ 12:27 pm

      Your posting reminds me of the proverbial story about the old Quaker who told his wife, “Methinks the whole world is crazy but for me and thee, and sometimes I thinks thee is a bit crazy, too.”

  12. Mark Green
    27 March 2015 @ 7:36 pm

    Can you imagine having both Ted Cruz and Vladimir Putin with their fingers on the Nuclear buttons?

    As for Mrs. Cruz, she obviously is not a real Adventist because she goes to movies. An SDA would wait till the movie comes out on DVD.

    • Richard Lawson
      27 March 2015 @ 8:14 pm

      LOL. Probably drinks champagne to celebrate election victories, etc. And, of course, she has committed the cardinal sin of marrying outside of the faith. Terrible!

      • Richard Lawson
        27 March 2015 @ 10:38 pm

        And her parents caused it all because they allowed her to go to those heathen Babylonian universities instead of the “schools of the prophets”.

      • Benny Roberson
        15 August 2015 @ 10:29 pm

        Richard, you seem to be just guessing at things without any kind of proof.Do you think you are a prophet?

    • William Noel
      28 March 2015 @ 7:59 am

      The security requirements of living in the White House would prevent her from going out to a theater. I read somewhere that they’d recently replaced the old film projector in the White House theater with a new digital projection system that uses a format different than is used on DVDs, so she might have a problem there. Sounds to me like another non-issue for commenters here to get uptight about… 🙂

    • rebecca bartlett
      28 March 2015 @ 12:04 pm

      most movies today aren’t really for christians especially seventh-day adventists christians, even they come out on dvd…later…there are some that are okay. I’m not saying i never watch a movie at home..however it is very rare..and i don’t prefer the movies in the theater, however unfortunately the seventh-day adventist of my generation are more and more mixed in with the world to where we are not the peculiar people we should have been…as a whole.. ill never forget going on a date at one of our southern adventist universities with a theology major..(who i didn’t care for not sure why i went out). he took me to my first movie…(footloose which was not appropriate) i don’t even go to movies..and also bought gas on sabbath..(which I’m not trying to be legalistic as sometimes in situations it happens) but i was not impressed.
      this was back in the 80s. just because someone is sda does not mean they are representative of seventh-day adventists. as for carson..something is majorly wrong with him…he seems to be letting popularity and attention get the best of him….mrs cruz may be still okay in her faith as we don’t know…(however her statement about movies make you think she is not as conservative as would be best) i know if i were married to someone with the views of ted cruz i would not be in harmony in my marriage…(i also am not married to an sda) however i wish i were. he said he was going to keep sabbath and was all interested in the church..then changed after we married (I’m still responsible) however it sometimes does happen to the most well meaning) however he is not religious zealot and encourages my faith and sabbath. and watches sabbath programs with me..however it is not ideal and so I’m not sure why she would willingly marry someone of a different faith.(but i suppose i can’t talk).. we do not live near an adventist church as the only one in town does the rock music and does not seem adventist to me so i stay home and watch satellite.. my husband will go to church with me…and does not oppose. nevertheless i do not feel ted cruz or carson will make it to the white house..lets hope not… (it is possible she or her family could be an influence to cruz, however he seems very evangelical in the sense of charismatic like and the type who would willingly push religion into the governent in a forceful way) his antics with the government shutdown..was a disaster..we live in a tourist town and husband manages hotel and we and the national park here lost a lot financially. the owners of the hotel took a loss…it showed me up front how inappropriate and self motivated cruz…behavior was…with know thought of the effects to others… (it didn’t affect me or my husband much but it did affect the town and the owners of the hotel)…and other similar places in the us

      • Starla
        29 March 2015 @ 2:35 am

        After muddling through this epistle, I would agree — some SDA’s are peculiar with legalistic a close second.

        • William Noel
          01 April 2015 @ 12:28 pm

          Second? I think that one’s a clear tie for first place!

      • Benny Roberson
        15 August 2015 @ 10:38 pm

        Richard, you seem to be just guessing at things without any kind of proof.Do you think you are a prophet?

    • B.H.
      04 December 2015 @ 10:22 am

      the question REALLY is: how comfortably do you live with Obama’s finger on the nuclear button??

  13. Richard Lawson
    27 March 2015 @ 8:04 pm

    I have just read Senator Cruz’s email message dated today regarding his bill to prevent the District of Columbia from passing legislation restricting Religious Freedom: “The D.C. Council is attempting to force religious institutions to provide services, make employment decisions, or participate in activities that directly violate their faith,” said Sen. Cruz. “No government entity should be able to coerce organizations – whether they be non-profits or religious schools – into funding abortion services or promoting gender policy that is contrary to the organization’s fundamental mission.”
    I fail to see anything in this action that is contrary to past SDA positions on religious freedom.

    • Richard Lawson
      27 March 2015 @ 8:12 pm

      I think it is possible that God may want an Adventist or someone who is friendly to Adventists in a position of power and leadership before the end of time. Consider the story of Joseph who was placed in a powerful position to carry out God’s wishes during a time of crisis. And Daniel who was a powerful and faithful leader in two successive empires, followed by Esther a few years later. Remember, Esther was not the king–she was only “married” to the king, but she was able to influence events as God planned.

      • Benny Roberson
        15 August 2015 @ 10:44 pm

        Now you are speaking some wisdom Richard. That is what may be happening here. I don’t believe the world has been reached with the gospel message yet, and God could place a true Christian in the White House to slow down the time of trouble that will come one day very soon. Who are we to tell God what He can and cannot do?

  14. Edward Vieira
    27 March 2015 @ 8:57 pm

    True SDA folk would not get involved in today’s politics. If one of them wins they will give the SDA off-shoots all they have wanted to call the church Babylon. Mrs. Cruz has indeed broken one of the church’s policies by marrying outside her own religion. But I bet our president Ted Wilson would acclaim her as a winner.

    • George Tichy
      28 March 2015 @ 7:19 am

      Well, as far as I know, not long ago Carson delivered a speech at one Republican convention on a Sabbath day.

      But I am not a bit concerned with those guys, since they have no chance in the primaries while Bush is around, and much less while Clinton is around …

      • Richard Lawson
        28 March 2015 @ 9:44 am

        Predictions this early in the game are risky and really only guesses and wishful thinking.

    • John
      28 March 2015 @ 2:27 pm

      um… really? wow… I’m not sure it’s up to you to decide that, not that. I would not get involved, Adventist or not, but it’s not up to us to make that decision for another human.

    • Richard
      28 March 2015 @ 7:46 pm

      AMEN, EDWARD!!! RIGHT ON, Brother!!!!

  15. Scott Parmele
    27 March 2015 @ 10:29 pm

    Interesting discussion. Who knows what will happen between now and the election. We may have a new General Conference President. In that case Elder Wilson won’t be able to acclaim Mrs. Cruz a winner in an official capacity. Will Ted Cruz be elected in 2016? I would be surprised. It seems to me that the discussion is counting chickens before they have hatched.

    • Elaine Nelson
      28 March 2015 @ 9:14 am

      Maybe the chickens haven’t hatched yet, but some have already dropped eggs (and may end up with them on their faces).

      • John
        28 March 2015 @ 2:28 pm

        Oh, that’s amusing! 😀

      • Tom
        28 March 2015 @ 8:05 pm

        Those are rotten eggs by the way. This early in the game it’s anyones guess who may be elected in 2916. It’s way too early to predict. We are indeed in desparate times and all it will take for people to follow a demogag is a crisis. I sense that we may be on the brink of an economic collapse of worldwide proportions. There are chickens alright, and they are coming home to roost on the massive debt that has risen to unsustainable levels since 2000.

        • Brian
          30 March 2015 @ 7:44 am

          I presume 2916 will occur during the Millennium, meaning that if anyone, it would be Satan getting elected…

    • Bob Flood
      28 March 2015 @ 1:42 pm

      Yes, we will have a new GC president because Ted Wilson stated that he is retiring after this summer’s session. A friend told me he heard that on 3ABN this afternoon.

      • Benny Roberson
        15 August 2015 @ 10:51 pm

        It did not happen though did it? He is still the GC president as of this writing..7-16-2015

  16. George Tichy
    28 March 2015 @ 7:23 am

    “We may have a new General Conference President.”

    That’s what the 100-day prayer should be about, so that the Church could regain some normalcy and start moving forward again. If Wilson is re-elected, it will certainly have “grave consequences.”

    • Bob Flood
      28 March 2015 @ 1:40 pm

      Someone told me that, on 3ABN this afternoon, Ted Wilson stated that he is going to retire this summer after the GC session. So there is no chance that he will be re-elected GC prez.

      • Tom
        28 March 2015 @ 7:55 pm

        Ted Wilson retiring is the best news I have heard in a long time. I am personally rooting for NAD Prez Dan Jackson.

        • Maxine Merriweather
          24 January 2016 @ 11:04 am

          Rooting for to do what? … destroy the church? Talking about Jesuits, this is a candidate right here!!

  17. BC
    28 March 2015 @ 7:34 am

    I think Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, also an Adventist, stands a better chance of election than either Senator Cruz or Dr Carson. But no one shines a light on her church membership. Why not?

    • RT1C
      28 March 2015 @ 11:16 am

      Maybe because she has the reputation of one of the most abusive congressional representatives? She’s a multi-year winner of “the meanest boss in Washington” award, and staff report her frequently screaming, “You stupid motherf*****!” at them. Just a few of the many reasons. If she is still a member, one wonders where and why!

    • Notrocketscience
      28 March 2015 @ 10:11 pm

      She might have a chance on Mars.

  18. dal wood
    28 March 2015 @ 7:47 am

    Please remember her comment, “this nation will repudiate every principle upon which she was founded”.

    • William Noel
      29 March 2015 @ 4:54 am

      So you think that will happen because an Adventist is in the White House instead of the constant assault of Liberalism on the Constitution and how the current president is taking that assault to previously unseen degrees? Open your eyes! Prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes with great speed and without an Adventist in the White House!

      • Richard Lawson
        29 March 2015 @ 7:21 am

        We are also on the verge of WW3 because the current President has shown that he is weak and is not willing to defend America’s commitments around the world.
        There may not be an election in 2016 if America is at war in the Middle East, Europe, S. America, and Asia. Obama may declare a state of emergency and suspend the election. He has already voided the constitutional restrictions on his office–why not extend his own presidency. The Republicans have already shown that they do not have the will to stop him.

        • Georges Tichy
          30 March 2015 @ 7:24 am

          HaHa, sure.
          Forgetting that’s the Republicans that always have the thirst for blood and want to start a war even if they have to fake one like with Iraq?

          Now this conspiracy theory about Obama not willing to defend us, and no elections in 2016? This is just insane, just another Republican tactic to destabilize the country, since they could not do it by wrecking the economy.

          The only reason for the hate from the Republicans against Obama is that he is black. And this since day one of his government!

  19. Don Halsell
    28 March 2015 @ 10:13 am

    If Dr. Carson and Mrs. Cruz believe like Teddy Boy does concerning Mrs White, Wes all in a heap of trouble. Got to go–today is pot luck and their having wham sandwitches and soy milk. Good–good. See you when the Sunday Law is passed.

  20. jb
    28 March 2015 @ 11:26 am

    What do you think of this EGW text?

    “The Lord God of heaven cannot approve much that is brought into the pulpit by those who are professedly speaking the word of the Lord. They do not inculcate ideas that will be a blessing to those who hear. There is cheap, very cheap fodder placed before the people.

    Strange Fire

    When the speaker shall, in a haphazard way, strike in anywhere, as the fancy takes him, when he talks politics to the people, he is mingling the common fire with the sacred. He dishonors God. He has not real evidence from God that he is speaking the truth. He does his hearers a grievous wrong.”

    • William Noel
      29 March 2015 @ 4:58 am

      Thank you for posting those powerful and on-point nuggets! When we see the false gospel of “social justice” being embraced by Adventists, preached from our pulpits and taught in our schools as we are seeing today, we can have no doubt why God is not blessing the church in those areas. His blessing has been removed because we are not depending on Him as we should be doing.

  21. Richard Burnett
    28 March 2015 @ 12:39 pm

    job,this SOP statement is the WISEST of ALL posted so far, without ANY doubt!!!!!

    • Richard Burnett
      28 March 2015 @ 12:45 pm

      This note was to & for jb, not job.

  22. Sam Khan
    28 March 2015 @ 1:48 pm

    Can you imagine the danger the world would be in, if Cruz and Putin both have their fingers on the nuclear-destruction buttons? Luckily, there’s zero chance that Cruz would be elected. Obviously no Democrat will vote for him, and very few Republicans would either. He’s just wasting his time.

    • Donna Lambert
      28 March 2015 @ 7:35 pm

      I think you are going to be surprised. Cruz is gaining popularity just like Obama did. He will most likely be our next president.

      • Starla
        29 March 2015 @ 2:49 am

        Not a chance! He does not even begin to understand the constitutional meaning of separation of church and state. He may be smart,but he is pathological. Not great presidential material.

        • Georges Tichy
          30 March 2015 @ 7:27 am

          Pathological is the right word.
          And let’s not even start on the way he offends all intelligent Americans, talking as they were all idiots who do not see what he is doing.
          Well, he will get some votes, sure.

        • William Noel
          01 April 2015 @ 12:33 pm

          Please don’t forget that during his time as Texas Attorney General that Cruz filed 31 legal actions against the Obama administration challenging policies based on Constitutional grounds. He personally argued 28 of those cases before the US Supreme Court and won every one of them. Since being elected to the Senate two more of those court cases have been ruled in favor of the State of Texas. No other candidate on either side comes anywhere close to him for defending the Constitution.

  23. John
    28 March 2015 @ 2:12 pm

    Lord, please spare us from fools and those religious wing nuts, be they Adventist or not!

    • Richard
      28 March 2015 @ 7:50 pm

      YES, INDEED!!! AMEN, John

  24. rebecca bartlett
    28 March 2015 @ 3:31 pm

    yes a agree with above…have researched cruz’s wife…she doesn’t appear to be adventist right now…if you read any of the websites it just says she was raised adventist…evidently she met cruz in a bar (believe it or not). something just doesn’t add up with him..and she seems to have lost her way as far as adventist faith however i could be wrong and would always hope she would come back..
    you would have to read the news articles yourself to make your own decision. its as bit interesting..however sad..

    • Benny Roberson
      15 August 2015 @ 11:10 pm

      Rebecca,could you please capitalize where you should be capitalize when writing here? It makes you look very uneducated. I say this not to criticize, but so you will not look bad.

      • Benny Roberson
        15 August 2015 @ 11:13 pm

        Rebecca,could you please capitalize where you should be capitalizing when writing here? It makes you look very uneducated. I say this not to criticize, but so you will not look bad.

  25. Tyana Haveman
    28 March 2015 @ 6:54 pm

    I am not really sure that I want someone who has not followed the instructions of the Adventist church about being unequally yoked with non-adventist. Who you are married to has a definite effect on your own belief

    • Donna Lambert
      28 March 2015 @ 7:37 pm

      I have found that Baptists are a lot nicer people than Adventists and are not as judgmental.

    • Donne
      28 April 2015 @ 9:48 am

      You’re correct, Tyana. Whom you marry can definitely affect your own belief system. Many times it serves to strengthen your faith and help you identify the things that are really important to your relationship with Jesus instead of just blindly believing what others have told you since you were in Cradle Roll.

      II Corinthians 6:14-15 simply says that a believer should not marry a non-believer. NOWHERE in the Bible (my primary source for all things) does it say that only Adventists are believers.

  26. Jane Thomas
    28 March 2015 @ 7:12 pm

    I read on “Barely Adventist” that the Pathfinder leaders were consulting with Ted Cruz’s presidential campaign. Somebody said Mr. Cruz wanted to hire the Pathfinders as bodyguards because he doesn’t trust the Secret Service. Does anyone know if this is true?

    • Bob Zersky
      29 March 2015 @ 3:56 am

      “BarelyAdventist” used to print this disclaimer before the Comments section of every post, and they should start printing it again: “Every post on BarelyAdventist is satirical. As in, the news story you just read was not literally real. The ‘satrically Adventist’ tag and the ‘About’ section make that abundantly clear. This blog is written by committed Adventists that believe that humor is a great way to discuss Adventist culture and issues.” Every post on their site is fiction and parody created for sake of comedy.

  27. Tom
    28 March 2015 @ 7:53 pm

    Our country has been taken over by political wingnuts. Obama is a leftwingnut and Cruz is a rightwingnut. Ted Cruz is an angry man who is playing to people’s frustrations and prejudices with the status quo. I have been a lifelong Republican but I will never vote for a man like him. Ditto for Ben Carson. Where are the moderates and voices of reason?? I believe we are rapidly descending into
    a political abyss in this country.

    • Richard
      28 March 2015 @ 7:59 pm

      TOM, they have all DIED when COMMON SENSE died!!! Now, if only this ABSURDLY RIDICULOUS POLITICALLY CORRECT NONSENSE COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND DIE, then maybe COMMON SENSE could be RESURRECTED by some kind of….LOL!! Actually, IT AIN’T FUNNY AT ALL!!!!

      • Scott Parmele
        01 April 2015 @ 1:19 am

        Why are you shouting? Just wondering.

    • Richard Lawson
      28 March 2015 @ 11:19 pm

      As long as Republicans nominate moderates (aka RINOs), there will be Democrats in the White House. For moderate voters to see a difference between the liberals (who have forced gay rights, abortion, atheism, and other anti-Christian values on America), the Republicans must nominate conservatives and provide a clear choice. Every time Republicans nominate a true conservative, they win.

      • jeff
        29 March 2015 @ 12:46 am

        A Political and Fiscal conservative, yes”
        What way to many of us are missing is, those are not the same as moral/religious conservative. Those are unique concepts, and should not be confused.

      • Jim Hamstra
        31 March 2015 @ 4:15 pm

        “Every time Republicans nominate a true conservative, they win.”

        Am I the only one who remembers Barry Goldwater?

        In our hearts we may have known he was right (and WAY RIGHT at that), but in our heads most Americans didn’t trust him with the nuclear “football”.

    • Jim Hamstra
      31 March 2015 @ 4:17 pm

      Whoa there! Obama has won two presidential elections. Between them Carson and Cruz have not won any.

      (Just a factual comment in the interest of “fair and balanced” reporting 😎

    • Jim Hamstra
      31 March 2015 @ 4:21 pm

      “I believe we are rapidly descending into a political abyss in this country.”

      I totally agree with you.

      Unfortunately in either major party you have to get-out the vote from your doctrinaire militants to win the primaries. Then like Mitt “Etch-a-Sketch” Romney you can attempt some damage control and creep back towards the middle to try to win a general election.

      Sometimes the medicine works and sometimes it doesn’t.

  28. Richard
    28 March 2015 @ 7:54 pm

    JANE, now that is FUNNY/ I HOPE YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THAT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON THE BARELY ADVENTIST IS TRUE OR TRUTH, PERIOD!!! IT IS ALL SATIRE and is done to “make fun” of Adventist in a silly, foolish sort of way. THAT IS A FACT!!!!

    • Richard
      28 March 2015 @ 8:00 pm


    • Bob Zersky
      29 March 2015 @ 3:59 am

      “BarelyAdventist” used to print this disclaimer before the Comments section of every post, and they should start printing it again: “Every post on BarelyAdventist is satirical. As in, the news story you just read was not literally real. The ‘satirically Adventist’ tag and the ‘About’ section make that abundantly clear. This blog is written by committed Adventists that believe that humor is a great way to discuss Adventist culture and issues.” So it’s all just tongue-in-cheek fiction intended to be comical.

  29. victpr
    28 March 2015 @ 11:25 pm

    No puede ser seria lo mas tragico que nos pueda suceder Dios ni lo permitas….si el llegara a candidato en lugar de ser de un bien a la causa adventista. Seria terrible de hecho con sus actitudes extremisas ya esta en la boca de todos es el hasme reir

    • Pedro Sanchez
      29 March 2015 @ 4:07 am

      Por favor, escriba en inglés la próxima vez.

    • Pierre Moreau
      29 March 2015 @ 4:34 am

      Se il vous plaît écrire en anglais prochaine fois.

      • Interested Friend
        01 April 2015 @ 11:45 am

        Bitte, auf Englisch das nächste Mal.

  30. jb
    29 March 2015 @ 7:41 am

    Political interest. Another clue of the lack of consecration in the church. Goat/tares—1 John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
    Political interest is basically an insult to God by showing lack of confidence in His character/behavior transforming word(bible) by ones who put confidence in external control/influence to improve/ impact the increasing disorder/chaos/moral depravity in society. Preaching the gospel/word is what tamed the barbarians in countries that it entered.

  31. John
    29 March 2015 @ 8:09 am

    Interesting thought, she is a VP for Goldman Sachs, and states her “mission is public service.” Anyone know what Goldman Sachs did to the people of America?

    • Richard Lawson
      29 March 2015 @ 6:27 pm

      Yes, but that does not mean that she had anything to do with those transactions. She is (was) a VP in Houston, not NYC. And those banking organizations bestow VP titles on nearly everyone in a supervisory position.

  32. Carlos Lopez
    29 March 2015 @ 10:36 pm

    As this relates to women’s ordination indirectly, don’t miss Martin Weber’s article at

  33. V. D. ahlberg
    30 March 2015 @ 10:23 am

    Y You r coments are a wast of my time. Satan won’t allow any honest SDA in that office so back off and let God be in control of who is selected . Just be ready for His second Advent. .

    • William Noel
      30 March 2015 @ 4:49 pm

      Satan may try his hardest, but if God wants it then it will happen. Satan tried to prevent Joseph from becoming prime minister of Egypt, Daniel from becoming the most trusted advisor to a heathen king, Esther the queen in a kingdom that did not respect God so His people could be saved. The list goes on and on. Like you, I wish more were like you in wanting to be ready to meet Jesus.

    • Bugs/Larry Boshell
      31 March 2015 @ 9:15 am

      The second advent will be the cure for climate change.

      • Jim Hamstra
        31 March 2015 @ 4:10 pm

        You are very right my good man, probably more than you would believe.

        Unfortunately before the ultimate cure to this and many other self-inflicted maladies is applied, many both guilty and not-so-guilty will probably suffer for human folly.

  34. my2cents
    30 March 2015 @ 2:39 pm

    From the article:
    “Senator Cruz has praised his wife for being willing to put all of the couple’s savings ($1.2 million) into his 2012 campaign to get elected a Senator, as reported by the New York Times in 2013.”

    The actual story is more interesting:

    “[Ted Cruz] recalled saying to his wife in the weeks before his Senate primary, when he was still behind in the polls, ‘Sweetheart, I’d like us to liquidate our entire net worth, liquid net worth, and put it into the campaign.’

    “’What astonished me, then and now, was Heidi within 60 seconds said, ‘Absolutely,’ with no hesitation,’ said Mr. Cruz, who invested about $1.2 million—’which is all we had saved,’ he added—into his campaign.

    “Heidi Cruz herself recalls the conversation differently. There was no movie-friendly smash cut ‘absolutely,’ or even assent. Rather, she told Politico, she ‘wanted him to raise money from elsewhere first, to show that the support was out there.’ And even then, ‘She proposed that they not put their own cash into the campaign unless it made the difference between winning and losing.’ That’s sort of the opposite of an instantaneous absolutely: a hesitant and conditional maybe.”

    • Elaine Nelson
      30 March 2015 @ 6:08 pm

      Even more ironic: Cruz who has vowed to get rid of Obamacare, has had to use his wife’s health insurance which is regulated by the ACA, AKA as Obamacare.

  35. Bugs/Larry Boshell
    30 March 2015 @ 2:58 pm

    What an opportunity, Present Truth Redut! These two guys could get a Sabbath law passed, the three angels logo draped over the presidential dais, Ellen’s picture on the hundred dollar bill, the second coming proclaimed as the solution to global warming, the establishment of the Adventist Christian educational system as the new publically funded school system, and much more! Come on folks, let your minds roam free on the Amazing Facts possibilities!

    PS: Doug Batchelor could be the anchor for a new Adventist Amazing News Network.

    • Bugs/Larry Boshell
      31 March 2015 @ 7:38 am

      AANN Adventist Amazing News Network. Has a certain ring to it!

  36. Ken C.
    30 March 2015 @ 5:07 pm

    Religion & politics – a very, very, toxic partnership.

    • Gini
      30 March 2015 @ 11:08 pm

      Who do you think wrote the constitution? Answer: Religious men.

  37. Roger Metzger
    30 March 2015 @ 8:37 pm

    Being involved in politics is one thing. Joseph was involved, Daniel was involved. Ester was involved.

    Being involved in PARTY politics –as in participating in a partisan election campaign–is quite another thing.

    How many people understand the difference?

    • Gini
      30 March 2015 @ 11:33 pm

      Why was this nation formed? To get away from Religious persecution. So that we could worship God freely and read the bible. These freedoms are being removed from our schools as we speak, and our military, Chaplains are being removed from the military for teaching what the bible says about homosexuality and can not pray in the name of Jesus. Wake Up. Stand up for your God given rights and stand behind those who are willing to fight against the dictatorial take over of our government by liars, Jesuits and Muslims. We are a REPUBLIC not a democracy. Study your history and see what happened to every previous democracy. They were destroyed in about 200 years. Simply because they are not For the People , By the People and Of the People. Greedy people run democracies, and the poor people become poorer, or worse yet, slaves or dead. That is exactly what is happening today in America. No jobs, Abortion, Atrocious Health Care, Religious Freedom destroyed, Bengasi,etc,etc,etc.

  38. Rebecca bartlett
    30 March 2015 @ 9:30 pm

    I don’t think Doug batchelor would be thrilled about Carson running for president…or be impressed with Cruz or his wife. I love what Doug stands for as well as amazing facts. Neither Cruz s wife or Carson represent our church or Christ.
    Being sarcastic of our beliefs and the comments in a previous response are immature. We aren’t here to bash amazing facts or the church.
    The article states Cruz s wife could be the first sda in the whitehouse which is not factual since she does not appear to be a seventh-day Adventist at this time. So it is not funny. Also she may be in a marriage with an emotionally immature narcissist type and be miserable…we don’t know what her life is like or how happy she really is. I would not give that kind of $ for him to run…especially since he has a zero to low chance. The whole thing is weird…Cruz…his wife…his extremism yet his life doesn’t show real or deep strength as Christian to me…he seems very superficial as do many of the religious right. I hate abortion…I am not for gay marriage…obviously Adventist aren’t for these things however I’d rather a president who isnt pushing or preaching religion…as we all know where that leads. People would be better off practicing what they preach…and working and using their $$ in the churches…instead of entering political arenas and aiming for president…

  39. Gini
    30 March 2015 @ 10:52 pm

    To those of you who are not Adventists and some who are: Perhaps you should read your bibles, particularly Daniel and Revelation. Prophecy tells us that prior to Jesus’ coming there will be was and rumors of wars. Earthquakes in diverse places and basically a ONE WORLD RELIGEON which falls in line with the One World Order which is taking place as we speak through the UN.
    Revelation 13:3-18. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed; and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war against the saints, and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. Continue reading …….

  40. Roger Metzger
    31 March 2015 @ 4:50 am

    I once raised the ire of a member of our denomination by saying that a person whom the Lord hasn’t called to promote present truth shouldn’t be considered an adventist. (Before 1860, a person couldn’t be considered an adventist on the basis of his membership in the Seventh-day Adventist organization. There wasn’t any.)

    But inasmuch as statements have been made on this thread regarding who is and who isn’t an Adventist, It seems appropriate to point out that there may be a growing number of people who are adventists in reality while NOT affiliated with our denomination.

    I’m a vegetarian but I don’t consider it a sin to eat meat. I don’t use alcoholic beverages. At all. But I don’t consider it a sin to do so. I’m a seventh-day sabbath keeper but I don’t teach that only seventh-day sabbath keepers will be translated when Jesus returns.

    By the mid-1950s, I had read statements by Ellen White where she described the enemies of truth as conservative. So it was with some consternation that, in the late 1950s, I read in a book published by the Review and Harold Publishing Association that described Seventh-day Adventists as conservative. Recently, I read an article on the World Council of Churches website describing Seventh-day Adventists as conservative.

    If conservatives have taken over the Seventh-day Adventist organization, the question now is whether the organization has abandoned the adventists or whether adventists are abandoning the organization.

    • William Noel
      31 March 2015 @ 5:41 am

      Define “conservative.” If you are using some variation of the “anybody who doesn’t agree with the president or me” definition that is so popular today, then a whole lot of people are “conservative.” Even the historic definitions have been reversed. “Democrat” used to mean a person who was a defender of democracy as defined by the U.S. Constitution, a viewpoint that today often is derided as “radical” or “right-wing.” Applying Ellen White’s use of the term “conservative” in today’s American political context will lead you to a false conclusion because “conservative” to her described a person who was trying to preserve and promote respect for God’s law.

    • Brian Taylor
      31 March 2015 @ 12:57 pm

      Roger, this statement is an acute observation: “It seems appropriate to point out that there may be a growing number of people who are adventists in reality while NOT affiliated with our denomination.”

      I and my family have discovered this reality ourselves. People move toward the path of least resistance, and this is one of those applications. It can just be a hassle to try and belong where you are not wanted or welcomed in action, no matter what rosy words are used.

      Then there is also the cultural subconscious idea of SDA membership = salvation. The congregation I used to be a member at could not accept that other believers existed locally if they were not within that building’s doors. However, people are not dumb and in their time will conclude that one does not have to be an SDA member to be saved. A member of the body of Christ, yes. But not necessarily a denomination or institutional member. Anyway that is my opinion.

      • William Noel
        01 April 2015 @ 5:46 am


        Regarding those who are Adventist but not affiliated with the denomination, I have been surprised over the past couple of decades to cross paths with members of three differenet independent and loosely-affiliated church groups, along with numerous independent congregations, who believe much the same as the SDA church. How many members they have is hard to say exactly and their estimates range from the few dozen in a single congregation to perhaps 100,000 or more distributed over areas of the eastern and southern USA. Combined they might count a half-million. They’re out there. One I became aware of a few years ago is probably the largest with an estimated quarter-million members. They even have active prophets and ministries where people are being healed by the power of God. They definitely are believers and part of the body of Christ. Just not SDA.

        • Brian Taylor
          01 April 2015 @ 10:11 am

          The idea I get of the Early Church is one with an “underground” feel to it. No it was not a secret society, but it was far from mainstream and far from “professional”. Has anyone here heard of the internet’s effect on society as a “Mass Amateurization” effect?

          When I heard that thought for the first time I did not hear something new but something old, expressed in today’s language. I see in this thought exactly what Jesus did and what He gave to the first Christians.

          Remarkably, it is hard not to take notice of the growing number of Christians in my community that hear God’s call to be more than a part of an institution, and to be free to serve God beyond that artificial construct. These folks are both in and out of the SDA church.

          I have not encountered anyone though who will go so far as to agree with the 4th commandment who had not already accepted it before. I sense that this is still a sacred cow, like it is almost going too far, that it is too much, too hurtful and too radical to accept. Christians and even people I work with at a Catholic Hospital seem to dance around this Sabbath issue, at least in my perspective. I think God is working there. The questions I get asked about it, the explanations I get for their own observance of a day, show me that God is not done working there.

          Anyways, I see the church going underground and I see God working beyond denominational lines where He is in charge and organizing a body. I see this also happening in the Evangelical Church of Christ. They are wrestling with Hell as Event or Hell as Eternal Torment and it is challenging them to change course and break with their past.

          • William Noel
            01 April 2015 @ 12:44 pm

            I have met a fair number of believers in the 4th Commandment whose primary reason for not even visiting an SDA church is because of their view of prophetic Babylon including organized churches.

            The idea of the church going underground is one that we might do well to consider with our eschatology in-mind. Few Adventists know how to function without direction from their pastor and we teach our members little or nothing about working under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Further, we believe that in times of persecution that are not far away in the future that all pastors will be imprisoned. So, if we’re not training our members to act independently of the pastor and under the direct guidance of the Holy Spirit, how can we expect them to survive spiritually in difficult times? In short, we’re not preparing our members to do what God wants us to be doing!

            If you want an excellent example of the church operating underground, there are two SDA churches in China. There is the official church that is recognized by the denomination and tolerated by the government. Then there is the massively greater number of believers who meet in home churches and who are persecuted by the government. The denomination knows little or nothing about them, but a friend of mine who was going from town-to-town in the interior parts of China in the last decade to spread the Gospel and establish home churches kept finding that God already had churches in many of those places. He estimated that the membership of the underground church that he met over a ten-year period was at least 10 times larger than the total membership of the official SDA church in China.

            The church has always grown the fastest and spread the farthest when it has been persecuted. God uses persecution to force people to flee into new places where they can work underground to create new believers.

        • Ettienne van Zyl
          02 November 2015 @ 6:05 am

          There was a reason God raised this denomination up in the 1860’s. He has a purpose for us, one we are not always ready to fulfill. I also believe God is working on the hearts of all His Children where every they attend at this time. But He will sound the call for them to come out of Babylon. If there isn’t a place to go to, a bastion of truth, the unadulterated Adventist message, where would the ones go who were called to leave Babylon? I strongly believe that the message God gave us, will be the modern day ark of safety where those that will be saved will gather together. The denomination does not save people just as the ark did not save Noah, but his unwavering faith in God. The doctrine in the end will clearly detect and reject the errors taught out side of our church. His command to us is to remain faith and He will save us.

  41. Bugs/Larry Boshell
    31 March 2015 @ 7:14 am

    Seventh-day Adventists don’t arrive at the portal of national politics on strength of strict Sabbath observance. There is a paucity of SDA’s in any “high” positions because of Sabbath observance. And that is the cause of the ongoing conflict in the SDA community over the current electoral scene.

    In other words, you can’t strictly observe Sabbath and do what it takes to be in the running for an elected official. Even if you are a doctor, where in the Adventist system Sabbath breaking is allowed, you must travel outside that permissive perimeter to perform unlawful Sabbath activities.

    And when elected, faith surrenders to necessity. There are precedents set by a few SDA’s who have succeeded in electoral quests. The Sabbath practice of faith is ignored, as it has to be.

    Who is an Adventist?

    I have proposed that the SDA church is made up of some of the finest people on the face of the earth. But that commitment to strict Sabbath keeping has slammed the door to their entry to multiple positions of influential leadership that could have positively altered, even in a small way, the moral course of the country. Yes, behind the scenes, their influence is certainly felt for good purposes, but our times cry out for moral, duty bound, honest, committed leaders, the kind of people comprising Adventism, to step out and show the way.

    From what I observe from the outside looking in, Sabbath keeping on an experiential level is being revised by a new generation, but it may be too late, and too galling, for the old to free any movement toward a broader participation for them in the leadership of the country.

    Carson and Cruz and wife are on the presidential electoral fringes, as well as the SDA fringes, but they are showing a way for the future. No, the orthodox SDA’s don’t, won’t, approve. But a new day is dawning and some fine people may find that a new path to leadership has been charted.

    • Elaine Nelson
      31 March 2015 @ 2:15 pm

      Somewhere in EGW’s writings (not being a fan I cannot look it up) where she wrote that someday there should be Adventists in the legislative halls of this country. For a strict Sabbatarian that could not be possible today. Congressional sessions have often lasted into the wee small hours of the weekend.

      • Jim Hamstra
        31 March 2015 @ 4:08 pm

        And if you look on the other side of the cameras you would see how hollowed-out are the halls of Congress during most debates.

        If Sen Joe Lieberman could strictly observe his Jewish Sabbath, then why could not an SDA observe ours?

        • Bugs/Larry Boshell
          01 April 2015 @ 6:55 am

          Flimsy rhetorical questions require equally vacuous responses. Of course “ours” could be observed, too. Come on Hammy. So?

          • Stephen Foster
            04 April 2015 @ 7:05 am

            Having taken a little hiatus from this site to attend to some other ventures, I also wanted to see just how far (out) some Adventist bashing would go, and to what extent it would dominate the commentary—no matter the subject matter.

            It may be that the Adventist bashers have to take on a surreal mindset in order to continue to ignore reality (much like Biblical fundamentalists are commonly accused of doing by the scientific fundamentalist community).

            As Jim Hamstra correctly stated, Joe Lieberman is (was) an observant modern orthodox Jew; yet managed a successful political career while observing the Sabbath more assiduously than SDAs. Yet this undeniable reality—correcting Elaine’s incorrect observation that it would be impossible to serve in Congress as a Sabbath observer—is viewed by Bugs as somehow “flimsy.”

  42. Jim Hamstra
    31 March 2015 @ 7:17 am

    How ironic that on this web site people should invoke the EGW metaphor of “strange fire”.

    Much of the commentary on this web site would surely qualify as “strange fire” if ever there were such a thing!

  43. Brian Taylor
    31 March 2015 @ 1:03 pm

    Here is an article on Mr. Cruz that is a good read.

    Also there is this comment after the article that I liked:

    Speaking as an atheist, I find this somewhat encouraging:

    A God who stands with us over-and-against our … enemies is no God at all. It’s an idol… I would rather be an atheist than believe in that God.
    Thank you – I’ll take that as a compliment. Alas, “that God” is apparently the one currently being worshipped at “the largest Christian university on the planet.” Go figure.

    As pointed out in the initial reply here (thanks, Danny!), Cruz is actually not a “serious” candidate – thank goodness! – in the sense that the proverbial snowball in hell is more plausible than Cruz in the White House. The fact that he seeks – and receives – the support of Liberty University is, I think, a big part of the reason why the number of atheists in this country seems to be growing steadily – his hypocrisy exposes the fundamental defect of any and every worldview based on “inerrant” scripture.

  44. Elaine Nelson
    31 March 2015 @ 2:19 pm

    Cruz and Carson are only two of the entire Republican “wannabes” for president. Let the nominations begin: looking forward to the debates as one of the best TV shows of the season to come. Watch foot-in-mouth disease; inept debaters; promises to hold back the sky and remove all taxes, sickness and death–at no cost to taxpayers.

  45. Elaine Nelson
    01 April 2015 @ 12:30 pm

    In my many years since childhood of sitting in on tent revivals each summer and year round in brick and mortar buildings, Sabbath is the “testing truth” and weeds out many who would have eagerly accepted Adventism were it not so restrictive on the specific day observed. Today is is almost largely practiced by second and third generation members.

    It is ironic that the NT Christians were never given a day for worship; in fact they were specifically told that the Law was no longer their guide, but Christ. The only possible “Law” to which it referre was the One given to the Israelite-Jews at Sinai.

    All other Christians accept that a specific day was never given nor recorded in the NT as requirement.

    • Bugs/Larry Boshell
      01 April 2015 @ 5:22 pm

      Adventist eschatology was developed as a theory of last day events, that if it had been true, would not allow the arrival of our experience now. The Sabbath was to be the ultimate issue between good and evil. Didn’t happen. Without the Sabbath as the stimulus for conflict it is now a moot issue, an optional religious observation without the power foreseen for it. So we have the discussion in hand. Now we are experiencing the second great disappointment (or the third if you divide 1844 into two parts). It was postulated that “Here I Stand” would be the last testimony of faithful Sabbath Keepers standing before Catholic Courts facing final earthly judgment. Sabbath would be verified as God’s eternal mark entrusted to his people willing, able, and ready to die, to uphold it as His final trustees of the “Truth.” Christ would now have arrived or “soon” would really be “soon.”

      But none of those belief eggs (there was a bunch of them, all related, beside the Sabbath) tossed in one basket (yes Elaine, the chickens have come home to roost, extending your metaphor) have hatched and Adventism doesn’t now know who or what it is. If Adventists were actually being bullied for practicing Sabbath observance, there would be no identity question. In that predicted circumstance, entertaining a proposition of the first woman in the white house being an SDA would be preposterous. And equally so a president of any sexual persuasion! Adventist eyes would be scanning skies for the hand-size cloud for deliverance, not to windy discussions of the remote possibility of an SDA in the White House.

      Adventism as it used to be is lost because it followed a faulty map. It has experienced a kind of death, which is very hard for the old guard to accept. However, recognition, unconscious, perhaps, is widespread on this form by abundant demonstrations of grief. Anger and denial are two of the grief stages most visible. The outward, institutional recognition of the demise is evident by the upcoming San Antonio BruHaHa and the verbal jousting preceding it. If SDA eschatology was successfully in fulfillment, this meeting would have to be underground and it would have a far different agenda.

      Adventism is a deviation from Christian thought, well meaning, perhaps. Now it can move on and teach the precepts of Christ and send its followers into the world to do good as leaders of integrity. It will find a way to honor Sabbath without the literal observation that now has no eschatological function. There might well be an SDA in the White House sometime and no one will make note of it except to praise the character of that person.

      • Selena Suarez
        02 April 2015 @ 3:48 pm

        Hey Larry, interesting thoughts about San Antonio. You would love to read this piece about the dubious vote to be taken there.

        • Bugs/Larry Boshell
          02 April 2015 @ 5:57 pm

          Selena, I did. While my reply above emphasized the role of the Sabbath in the current debate as a major issue in Adventist identity, it obviously is only one of the central issues.

          With a female (Ellen) as a central figure in the formation and maintenance of Adventism that women’s ordination, as even a minor issue, is mind boggling.

    • Bobbie Forest
      04 April 2015 @ 11:28 am

      There never was a new established day for christians to worship since there already was an established day existing in the law of God from eternity. The entire universe meets before God on His established day of rest. Any other day was an invention of the church as it incorporated pagan beliefs and philosophies into the early church. Only God can established a holy time that he is to be worshiped on. Anything else is vain to Him. “In vain do they worship Me, keeping for doctrines the commandments of men” said Jesus.

  46. Bob Hawley
    01 April 2015 @ 6:03 pm

    Of course Ted Cruz isn’t going to be popular with environmental whackos and the left, which seem to be well represented here. But he is way more qualified to be president than the current liar-in-chief ever was.

    He’s also very popular with people who are tired of the way the current regime has taken our freedoms away and has ignored the separation of powers and the Constitution. Our freedoms have been under attack at least as far back as Woodrow Wilson.

    So far as any SdA connection, I could care less. And polls among Republicans? I wouldn’t believe anything they claim.

  47. Bob Hawley
    01 April 2015 @ 6:05 pm

    Also, this piece could use better editing. It’s missing words, has typos and other problems.

    • Bugs/Larry Boshell
      01 April 2015 @ 7:35 pm

      Bob, not sure to whom your critique is directed, but if not me, I confess. When I reread what I have posted, on almost every piece, even after I have made many corrections and think it is perfect, I am embarrassed, after I have posted it, at the remaining errors of spelling, syntax, mixed metaphors, missing and inappropriate words, typos, and other obvious glitches, I missed. I almost wish I had submitted my work to my wife for editing (I compose in OneNote). She worked as an editor for the US Government for many years and she is highly skilled and competent. But she is also brutal in her critique for which she is not qualified in the area of religious thought, she being a good Catholic and a complete stranger to even the teensiest nuance of theology. I know, it could be argued that if she can’t understand what I am writing, I shouldn’t submit it. I’m off the hook, since she doesn’t read what’s on this forum.

      My brain, what there is of it, deals in the meaning of things, concepts, not so much in the technicalities of expressing them. A good editor I’m not!

      • Selena Suarez
        02 April 2015 @ 3:41 pm

        Oh, don’t be so hard on yourself, Larry. I think your writing is great!

        • Bugs-Larry Boshell
          02 April 2015 @ 4:24 pm

          You’re an angel, Salena, thanks!

          • Bugs/Larry Boshell
            02 April 2015 @ 7:42 pm

            See, Selena, I’ve already misspelled your name but got it right the first time! See above! As you may have guessed I enjoy the Bugs Bunny cartoon character. I admire a couple of his endearing attributes, his occasional language malapropisms, and his indefatigable spirit. Yes, he is imaginary, produced by the minds of men whose gleeful production contributes to my mirthful view of life.

  48. Damian Botnick
    02 April 2015 @ 4:20 pm

    Ted Cruz was NOT the Attorney General of Texas and he did NOT argue 31 cases before the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Cruz was the Solicitor General (an appellate lawyer who worked for the Attorney General). Cruz was appointed to the office of Solicitor General by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott. As Solicitor General, Cruz argued before the Supreme Court nine times and won five of them.

    Cruz served as Solicitor General for Abbot from 2003 to 2008. The office had been established in 1999 to handle any appeals involving the state.

    However, Abbott had ulterior motives for selecting Cruz: he wanted Cruz to be a conservative legal activist in pressing for a strict interpretation of the Constitution. And he fulfilled that mission. For example, he has fought for citizens to carry handguns and for governments to display the 10 Commandments.

    Cruz has authored 70 United States Supreme Court briefs (including petitions asking them to accept cases, which were denied) and he presented 43 oral arguments (in various courts), including nine before the United States Supreme Court. He argued before the Supreme Court nine times, winning five cases and losing four.

    In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz drafted the amicus brief signed by the attorneys general of 31 states, which said that the D.C. handgun ban should be struck down as infringing upon the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Cruz also presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

    In addition to his success in Heller, Cruz successfully defended the constitutionality of the Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds before the Fifth Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court, winning in Van Orden v. Perry.

    Cruz’s record of having argued before the Supreme Court nine times is more than any practicing lawyer in Texas or any current member of Congress.

    Cruz has commented on his nine cases in front of the U.S. Supreme Court: “We ended up year after year arguing some of the biggest cases in the country. There was a degree of serendipity in that, but there was also a concerted effort to seek out and lead conservative fights.”

    Cruz has been named by American Lawyer magazine as one of the 50 Best Litigators under age 45 in America. He has been named by The National Law Journal as one of the 50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America, and by Texas Lawyer as one of the 25 Greatest Texas Lawyers of the Past Quarter Century.

    He might be crazy politically, but he’s no dummy.

    • JM Jm John McCaull
      04 April 2015 @ 5:17 pm

      Not to put too fine a point on it, but I rather assume the first Adventist “in” the White House (which in this thread means NOT the president) would have been President Warren G. Harding’s brother, a devout SDA physician.

  49. Larry Fine
    06 April 2015 @ 6:13 pm

  50. Earl
    03 July 2015 @ 5:13 am

    We don’t need any half-baked or pretend SDA in the White House as it would only drag down the integrity of Christ and the legit Sabbath keepers. If you are for Ben Carson winning (not) but if so, then you don’t take the Sabbath seriously either probably. If not really keeping it holy is important then the church should lighten up on everybody who breaks it and quit making an issue out of it with Sunday folk. Seen the numerous times that Carson who is so ego driven and lusting for the limelight thst he does interviews on tv on Sabbath day talking about all manner of secular nonsense and shows up at political forums to promote his run for Prez.?We can’t serve 2 masters and make it in the kingdom, got to love one and hate the other. Can’t be mixing the sacred with the common. It’s a fact, Ben don’t need the money and he has no excuse if anybody did, to be trampling on Holy God’s Sabbath day. He’s a terrible witness for truth and a poor example if he still claims to be an SDA! Can you imagine all of the secular affairs he would be engaging in on the Sabbaths if he were to occupy the White House? We need to now more than ever be holding up the standards of Bible truth in word and in deed, not being slouchy about it all. Jesus says “I would that ye be hot or cold than lukewarm and if you’re lukewarm I’ll spew you out of My mouth!” Please wake up quickly Dr. Ben. I don’t know whether Mrs. Cruz is a devoted Sabbath keeper or not as there are so many in name only SDA…

    • Bugs/Larry Boshell
      25 August 2015 @ 9:57 am

      Earl, there are only “half baked” Sabbath keepers, no such thing as legit Sabbath keepers, particularly on an institutional level. Otherwise every Adventist hospital would close on Saturday, every Adventist doctor would refuse patient care, nurses would stay home, etc. etc., every Adventist college would go on Jewish mode on Saturday, shut down heating and cooling systems, serve no meals

      Sabbath keeping is a joke. Self-imposed. Is a mythical nightmare on a round world, was dreamed up on a flat world concept. Its “observance” isolates Adventist collective talents into a soundproof chamber under the delusion they are making “God” happy.

      OK, Earl, I have gone too far! I don’t call it that, but you can accuse me of philandering with hyperbole! Couldn’t help myself! My point is that no SDA will ever contribute any meaningful leadership to the culture hampered by your view of Sabbath. Adventism will continue to lurk endlessly in the theoretical shadows of impossible purity without such breakouts as we now are witnessing.

      So I say, good for you Dr. Carson and your kind. May you multiply because you demonstrate there is a fantastic pent up reservoir of wonderful people waiting in the Adventist wings capable of activating their talents for the good of mankind. So, do what you need on the “Sabbath” to participate fully. Ben, follow Martin Luther’s advice. “Sin bravely!” (Martin added, “where sin abounds, grace does more so!)”

  51. John
    03 July 2015 @ 2:15 pm

    Cruz was born in Canada, so his eligibility to run for POTUS is not certain constitutionally, rendering most of this moot.

    • Stephen Foster
      14 August 2015 @ 4:37 am

      This is fascinating in that it exposes the hypocrisy in our system, the double standard of privilege, and how easily the Constitution can be circumvented simply by popular demand (as with the misreading and misapplication of the First and Second Amendments).

      Ted Cruz is of course Canadian born; and up until a very few years ago enjoyed dual citizenship in Canada and the United States. He is a legally born citizen of the United States because his mother was an American citizen when he was born. Duly enacted American immigration and naturalization law at the time (and still) allows citizenship under such circumstances.

      The thing is that American citizenship that is entirely dependent and contingent upon contemporary immigration and naturalization law is not natural born citizenship as is the case with individuals born in the United States. In other words, legal (born) citizenship is not the same as natural (born) citizenship; something everyone understood to be the case when Donald Trump and others hounded President Obama to produce his long form birth certificate as proof that he was born in the United States (as opposed to perhaps Kenya or Indonesia).

      Not even Obama’s most ardent and partisan supporters questioned the need for him to have been born in Honolulu as he—and the certification of live birth document which he produced—claimed he had been.

      • Stephen Foster
        14 August 2015 @ 4:38 am

        In other words, even though Obama’s mother was likewise an American citizen when he was born, if it had turned out that Obama had actually been born in Kenya or Indonesia and not Hawaii, the so-called defenders of the Constitution would have claimed that he was ineligible to serve per Article II; and that his election was therefore bogus.

        That was Donald Trump’s point in making the demand that the President produce his birth certificate. Had Obama indeed been born in Kenya, he would not have been considered a “natural born Citizen,” as the Constitution requires.

        The 14th Amendment makes it unnecessary for the citizenship of natural born citizens to have their citizenship conferred upon them at birth or subsequently by an act of Congress; and makes it impossible for any state or Congressional legislation to affect their citizenship. On the other hand, Congress can enact immigration and naturalization action that would no longer grant citizenship to people born under the same circumstances as Sen. Cruz citizenship—because they aren’t natural born citizens.

        Meanwhile Cruz (and Trump by his relative silence) is attempting to circumvent the Constitution and perpetrate a hoax on the American people by claiming that his citizenship at birth constitutes natural born citizenship, when in fact it only represents legally born citizenship as a result of standing immigration and naturalization law at the time of Cruz’s birth.

        • Stephen Foster
          14 August 2015 @ 4:46 am

          Correction: On the other hand, Congress CAN enact immigration and naturalization legislation that would no longer grant citizenship to people born under the exact same circumstances as Sen. Cruz—because they aren’t natural born citizens.

  52. Earl
    03 July 2015 @ 4:57 pm

    However, the part about Ben focusing on his political pursuits on Sabbaths and word has it was even his selling copies of his book or books at a mall recently on Sabbath day and there on hand signing the copies that were sold all on Sabbath day. Nothing moot about that, my friend. This is serious and the Sabbath should be treated sacredly. The Sabbath, the Bible makes plain as it commands is to be treated as a HOLY day, not a holiday! Esrl

    • Bugs/Larry Boshell
      25 August 2015 @ 10:17 am

      Earl, I’m shocked at how small your “God” is in the light of how big your universe is! Please tell me it isn’t so, that He is PO’d by one of his brightest servants marketing a book on Saturday! It just occurred to me, should Dr. Carson be president, perhaps he could make it up to the Big Guy, to whom he might be in arrears because of his book sales violations, by shutting the US down every Saturday as a Holy Day and mandating it as the official day of rest! Just a thought.

    • Elaine Nelson
      25 August 2015 @ 12:50 pm

      Can you name one person that you know who has ever observed the Sabbath according to the Torah?

      You forget that Christians were never given the seventh or any other day as sacred. The Law for the Jews giving Sabbath was replaced by Christ as the Christian’s guide under the New Covenant. I would wager that you have never observed a perfectly observed Sabbath in your entire life. Bet on?

      • Elaine Nelson
        25 August 2015 @ 12:52 pm

        Can you name one person that you know who has ever observed the Sabbath according to the Torah?

        You forget that Christians were never given the seventh or any other day as sacred. The Law for the Jews giving Sabbath was replaced by Christ as the Christian’s guide under the New Covenant. I would wager that you have never observed a perfectly observed Sabbath in your entire life. Bet on?

        Where are the EGW quoters? Don’t you recall having read that she wrote to young people that they should one day walk the legislative halls of government? Dream big!

  53. Ntando
    25 August 2015 @ 6:23 am

    God knows what exactly they ar intending . But what i know is u dont put yosef in politics God puts u there without you having to campagn and win pepos votes . So ,these are clearly deluded in themselves

  54. Betty Pramberg
    11 November 2015 @ 2:02 pm

    The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. How you keep Sabbath is between God and yourself. Carson has said that he didn’t choose this path, but as the doors open, he just walks through. Maybe this is Gods way of showing the world the truth one last time before Jesus comes. These last days, things will go quickly. Recognize the signs when they happen, don’t try to predict the future. You are not in charge.

  55. Joe Sixpack
    02 December 2015 @ 2:23 pm

    How many times have you idiots and that charlatan, Ellen G. White, wrongly predicted the End Times? You’re all sheeple.

  56. I Howard
    21 December 2015 @ 9:40 pm

    Is Heidi Cruz really still an Adventist or merely a woman who grew up and Adventist, but is now a Baptist with her husband Ted?

    After all, their first date was in a bar, the Bitter End, which has now closed in Austin, TX. Many news stories refer to her parents being SDA, but this AT story is the only story which refers to Heidi as being an Adventist.

    • sufferingsunfish
      23 January 2016 @ 6:26 am

      SPECTRUM says Heidi is a Baptist. Maybe AToday needs to correct its info as did Spectrum.

  57. Sam Geli
    23 January 2016 @ 8:39 am

    When all is said and done, who cares? Senator Cruz needs to repay his sizeable loan to Goldman-Sachs, get over this “natura-citizenship question, be nicer to his colleagues in the Senate, and get behind the eventual GOP nominee, which will NOT be him. His wife’s religious affiliation is not an obstacle to the presidency. He is the main obstacle.

  58. Ervin Taylor
    23 January 2016 @ 9:45 am

    Mr, Sixpacks wrote “How many times have you idiots and that charlatan, Ellen G. White, wrongly predicted the End Times? You’re all sheeple.” Dear me . . . “Idiots”? And we are “Sheeple” I assume he means “Sheep”? That’s really not nice. It might be true, but it is not nice.

    As for EGW being a “charlatan”.. as a card carrying Adventist liberal, may I way that I don’t think that EGW was a charlatan. She was, of course, wrong on a number of matters. But I think she really, herself, believed what she thought God was telling her. How she obtained that information is another matter. Unfortunately, when someone pointed out to her that what she was seeing in vision, but been written about previously, she reacted very negatively and denied that she had read anything on that topic. To explain that, one might suggest that she was very protective of our role in the early Adventist community. To admit that she might have been informed about something other than through a vision might have, in her eyes, compromised her standing asd an oracle inside the “Little Band.” Or perhaps, her own way of processing information might have caused her to really forget where she had read something. But an outright fraud? I don’t think that the historical evidence would support that view. Perhaps, in the future, new data will reveal things that will reverse that opinion.

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  59. Maxine Merriweather
    24 January 2016 @ 10:57 am

    When we claim these people as SDA, let’s claim practicing SDA… I’m wondering what we gain by these claims. Her family may be, but this lady, as others in pop culture, is NOT a Seventh-Day Adventist!

  60. Elaine Nelson
    24 January 2016 @ 11:21 am

    The decision on who is an Adventist is always with the local church that holds their membership. No one individual, especially who does not know the person, should ever question their membership. MYOB is a good motto to follow.

  61. John Hack
    07 February 2016 @ 8:05 pm

    Really folks, God allows or doesn’t allow, so no worries God is in charge, and no matter what He will win the day, so read your Bibles and stay the course, he knows our heart like none other…

  62. Arthur Biscuit
    06 March 2016 @ 4:29 am

    Hmm, her wiki page lists her as a Southern Baptist with SDA parents.

  63. Sherri Bartosiewski-Klein BSN, RN
    15 March 2016 @ 10:00 pm

    As a practicing third generation Adventist, I read the article with interest being very alarmed at the choices and the tone of this election process. Dismayed I am at the bashing of pastors, Ellen White, and Adventists by some contributors. Reminding myself to guard my tongue with prayers for guidance by the Holy Spirit, I will share my perceptions.

    My study of the Bible and Adventist materials causes me to lean toward liberalism by understanding that Jesus himself, while on earth, did not seek to control anyone, or thing. Yet, in his sermons and actions was considered to be political by the Romans and Jews. He told us to render to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is God’s.

    We are all Control Freaks is what I’ve learned in life on this planet for over 60 years and a benefit of Janet Carter’s work in the Los Angeles area. Her book is a resource for those who wish to let God lead in their lives albeit control their lives. Janet Carter JD PhD is not an Adventist however, I asked her to send a copy of her book, Control Freak to Pastor Madrid at the Diamond Head SDA Church, when he needed it, finding her book to further me in my goal to practice my christianity as Jesus would want.

    Who will I vote for knowing God empowers who He wants? Not the bigot, nor the alienating senator, nor the woman, even though I’d like to see a woman president in my lifetime, and not the former Lehman Brothers Managing Investment Banker. Who does that leave? I remain praying for…

  64. Nellie
    23 March 2016 @ 1:11 pm

    I laugh at these posts. Most of you are “arguing” about candidates reflecting their religious views while in office, and how detrimental some would be. In my opinion, you ALL should be AGREEING that ANY OF THESE candidates mentioned would be far cries better than Trump (3 wives, children with different mothers, wife who posed nude, not a regular church attender, etc etc) or Hillary (yes, a Methodist but what a track record!) How about agreeing that any of these candidates would be better than Trump or Hilary? Even if some of our individual beliefs and ways of worship differ, at least we believe in Christ as Savior. Any Mormon, SDA, Catholic, Evangelical, or other Christian believer would be better than an agnostic or atheist or Muslin in office. NOW, let’s get down to the differences of beliefs in REPUBLICANS, AND DEMOCRATS! Who wants a government controlled society and who wants a people controlled society, with less government control? YOU ALL ARGUE THOSE POINTS, AND it will be worth reading the posts!

  65. George
    13 April 2016 @ 7:09 pm

    Heidi Cruz is not SDA, she is baptist. You can google it.