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  1. pseudomonas42
    10 October 2014 @ 9:52 pm

    Shameful treatment of women!

  2. Chris Peake
    10 October 2014 @ 10:11 pm

    JDN hits the nail on the head!

  3. Warren Zork
    11 October 2014 @ 2:17 pm

    1)Dr. Newman is onto something (but it isn't going to pass).  The 'laying on of hands' is a biblical N.T. concept.  It indicates approval of a spiritual gift by the local congregation.  
    2)I am curious about little or no official church mention of the Mohaven Conference of the early 70's and the subsequent GC action accepting the non-sexist conclusions of that Conference.  The accepted principle of the laying- on-of-hands (called 'ordination' in an uncritical manner) was implemented for deacons and elders at the local church level; at that time, the ordained Gospel Minister's ordination ritual was postponed until such a time as the world church would approve it.  As Dr. Newman points out only the laying-on-of-hands is biblical.  Church academic leadership recognized this  in the 70's.  Here we are about to begin the debate all over in 2014-15.  

  4. Joe Erwin
    11 October 2014 @ 5:38 pm

    The proposed fossilization of the YEC concept is astonishingly bizarre. Are those in the church who know better utterly impotent? Do they not see that the proponents of this idiocy are seeking to eject them from the church?

  5. Jim Hamstra
    12 October 2014 @ 8:40 am

    The Empire Strikes Back ?

    Rumors have it that this response was at the private behest of church leaders who were not pleased with the AU Seminary position paper.  Its timing on the eve of Annual Council is not coincidence.

    Here is the AU Seminary consensus statement.  Only a small handful of the faculty were not in agreement with the consensus statement.

    One current Seminary faculty and one previous faculty signed the dissent.  The list of signatories is an interesting assortment of the most theologically conservative churchmen (and one lay woman) in North America.  Several names on this list of dissenters are personally known to me and I do not here wish to speak ill of any of them.  I believe these people have the best interests of the SDA Church at heart. 

    While I acknoweledge that the predominant leadership model in the Bible is male-centric, I personally believe that this is far more a reflection of the evolution of fallen human culture than of a Divine plan.  It is true that the First Adam even before the Fall appears throughout scripture as the principal Representative of the human race.  Likewise Michael / Yahweh / Christ appears throughout scripture as the principal Representative of the Godhead first to angels and then to humans.  However this in no way diminishes the roles of the Father and of the Holy Spirit.  As Dr Rodriguez pointed-out in his paper, to conflate Representation with Headship, is to do serious damage to our understanding of the Trinity.

    • Jim Hamstra
      12 October 2014 @ 9:10 am

      I am curious whether if Jesus were attending these meetings, He might say something like "Moses gave you Male Headship becasue of the hardness of your hearts.  From the beginning this was not so."

      Albeit I do not rpesume to speak for the Divine in any special manner 8-).

  6. Jim Hamstra
    12 October 2014 @ 9:06 am

    Ted Wilson's opening address.,-message,-and-mission-and-their-attempted-neutralization-by-the-devil%E2%80%99

    In our SS class yesterday we were discussing the book of James and what we know of the role of James in the early Christian church.  We we comparing what we knew of James with issues faced by Adventist church leadership today. 

    Someone suggested that one way Satan attacks the church today is by leading us to expend inordinate amounts of energy on lesser theological issues, that could otherwise be expended on our mission.  This of course assumes that our mission does NOT include reaching theological consensus on every point.  I pointed-out that the cost of trying to maintain uniform practices and policies throughout the world church (our Adventist ordinatio) is that the church hierarchy has to more closely control the ordination of clergy who historic role is the application and enforcement of the ordinatio.

    I concluded my remarks to my class on this question and conclude my comment here, by urging every Adventist and every other person of goodwill towards this church, to pray earnestly for the leaders who will be grappling with these questions over the next several days.

    • Jim Hamstra
      12 October 2014 @ 9:28 am

      For those who do not bother to read footnotes, Wilson's address includes this statement from the GC officers:

      “We, General Conference and division officers, appeal to all Annual Council attendees to accept each other as brothers and sisters in Christ regardless of some differences of opinion that may be evident on certain subjects. We ask for Christ-likeness and humble respect for each other in our words and activities during this Annual Council and beyond. Our humble demeanor and attitudes, through God’s power, will speak volumes to those who are watching. We earnestly appeal that we do all in our power to strengthen the church and this precious Advent movement. We lean completely on Christ for the unifying spirit that we need in proclaiming the three angels’ messages in these last days of Earth’s history.”