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  1. Alyce
    09 July 2015 @ 5:47 pm

    It will be interesting to see how the divisions handle the women who have already been “Ordained” to the SDA ministry.
    Will their “Ordination” be changed to “Commissioned” or will they be allowed to retain their “Ordination?”

  2. Odette Boily
    10 July 2015 @ 12:59 am

    These statements from the European and NAD departments show that the leadership have no knowledge of the Sanctuary and leadership established from the Creator Himself through its teaching. And while they demonstrate resignation in their words to the decision of the World Church with 60% against woman ordination, they definitely prove their true heart by the statement made at the end of their response – We will continue with our intention of placing as many women into pastoral ministry as possible. May He judge in this matter in my prayer!

    • Donald Finch
      10 July 2015 @ 8:20 am

      A truly arrogant statement.

    • David Bee
      10 July 2015 @ 6:06 pm

      How is it possible you can ignore the multiple committee reports commissioned by GC over last 20 years. All have concluded that the Bible raised no objection whatsoever to WO! Our university scholars have also reached same conclusions. If you believe Bible requires male on O, you must believe you have received a special prophetic revelation.

    • Lemuel Berosil
      20 July 2015 @ 6:13 pm

      It would have been better if the response should be couched in consultative manner, say ‘What are we to do then with the previous action of commissioning women this hasn’t been repealed yet? Let us give time for controlling committee to make ramifications on our policy resulting from the recent action. That I suggest a better option rather than a belligerent spirit which is not good for our healing.

  3. NATHAN
    10 July 2015 @ 11:53 am

    May the good LORD help the TED and NAD Divisions to heal from their terrible disapointment and heartbreak at the loss of their thunderous tumbling down of the WOMEN ORDINATION agenda.Humility before GOD is cardinal!

  4. Ron Henderson
    10 July 2015 @ 1:25 pm

    TED is my original home division; I am presently working in the NAD, and I was born in the IAD; and I have visited and worked in other divisions. As I reflect on the statements from the above divisions I am a little worried. Personally I do not think that God prohibits women from running churches although I believe strongly in the male headship of the family (and perhaps, carefully now, in society) that God has set up from Eden; and this is not cultural, although some cultures want a change, like they are doing for marriage. My fear is, when TED claims that society is demanding sexual equality, and this is true, will TED follow society even in same sex marriages, abortion, euthanasia, etc.? In other words, is society to call the shots or the Bible? Can the other divisions incorporate polygamy in their church as their society does? While the vote may be disappointing, isn’t God in charge of the world church? Isn’t this the voice of God from the world church? My suggestion to my fellow believers is to accept the vote and ask God for wisdom to press ahead. Remember, it’s not God’s fault that we started ordaining women even after the church voted ‘no’ previously. God can help us out of this situation easily, trust Him. Society will soon demand more of us, are prepared to resist or will we compromise because of fear and because everyone else is doing it? The church will appear to fall but it will not; it will be victorious is God’s promise to everyone that loves Him and…

    • Anne
      13 July 2015 @ 11:10 am

      I am afraid that this will be the next agenda. Watch this space in five year or ten years. If the Lord does not come. I am positive that we shall hear of our brothers and sisters who want to serve The Lord, but are gay or lesbian and they need to be encouraged.

  5. Ron Henderson
    10 July 2015 @ 1:32 pm

    ..everyone that awaits His return. There are disturbing things that are happening in the SDA church as far as standards and worship, and Sabbath keeping and other things, are concerned. The statements by our prophetess of the apostasy of church members and leaders, and churches are coming to pass. Let us remember we have a heaven to gain and a ‘hell’ to shun. Let’s chose life that we may live. Time is shorter than we believe; let us put our hands to the plough and press ahead with God’s work till He come.

    • Elaine Nelson
      13 July 2015 @ 2:01 pm

      Women’s position in the church is not a doctrine. The appointed TOSC study said there was no theological reason for refusing to ordain women.

      Culture is always part of a religion. Paul wrote that women should not speak, but should also cover their heads. This is not doctrinal but the common practice in that culture and at that time. It is not against a doctrine for women to have uncovered heads.

      Paul also said that a bishop should order his family after him. Does that imply that all leaders in the church whose children have left the church should be defrocked?

      He also wrote that women should not teach men. Yet the seminary has long employed female professor who teach men. What sort of inconsistency is being applied in those instructions?

  6. Pedro
    10 July 2015 @ 1:57 pm

    May the GOOD LORD bless and help the TED, NAD and other Divisions to continue ordaining Women to the Ministry in their Conferences and be merciful and forgiving towards who voted against it,” for they knew not what they were doing!”
    Humility before GOD is indeed cardinal!

    • Ron Henderson
      10 July 2015 @ 8:46 pm

      Pedro: Let’s say that God bless TED and NAD to continue ordaining women as pastors of which the Bible says nothing about, and which our modern day prophetess did not seek or champion for, would God be telling the church that the voice of the world church is invalid? And what would that mean? A missionary from the West went to Africa and sought to take a second wife while there. Ok? after all, that society says it is okay. God works decently and in order. Give Him the opportunity to change what He sees needs changing, do not do it for Him, lest you be like King Saul.

      • Anne
        13 July 2015 @ 11:13 am

        My dear brother, do you know of any African pastor who has two wives? If you are not sure, I will tell you that there is none. It is the practice of the secular people to marry many wives, but this is not allowed to church members let alone leaders. So why even bring this up?

  7. Phil Cowan
    10 July 2015 @ 2:01 pm

    Ron Henderson wrote,
    “My fear is, when TED claims that society is demanding sexual equality, and this is true, will TED follow society even in same sex marriages, abortion, euthanasia, etc.? In other words, is society to call the shots or the Bible?

    Slippery slope? Time will tell.

  8. Interested Friend
    10 July 2015 @ 2:26 pm

    Why does AToday not give as much space in its commentary to the views of those who oppose WO?

  9. Floyd Petersen
    10 July 2015 @ 7:59 pm

    Maybe It is time to do away with ordination. Maybe the Morman practice of a unpaid clergy is a good model. Maybe it is time to become more congregational.

    • E. Ekimi
      11 July 2015 @ 7:42 pm

      I’m for that! Maybe then we’ll finally separate the sheep from the goats –those who are in it for the money and those who are in it for serving Christ.

      • R. Venn
        12 July 2015 @ 11:36 pm

        Amen! Well said…

  10. David
    11 July 2015 @ 12:43 pm

    TED and NAD will ask for gay ordination for sexual preference equality.

  11. kume sibiya
    12 July 2015 @ 1:17 pm

    After all the w/o vote was not. A train disaster or massive earthquake The younger generation should teach their children about the equality of sexes:The new generation will do the right and when we meet with Jesus : we will all celebrate the good work done by our sisters mothers and granies. a

  12. Steve Ferguson
    13 July 2015 @ 12:10 am

    “So what is the way forward? Pastor Sam Davis, president of the South England Conference stated, “Many of our female pastors will be severely disappointed by this vote, as I am.” However, he refuses to be discouraged. Speaking on behalf of church leaders in Europe he said, “Many of us have female pastors working for us and they will continue to work for us.””

    I think TED, NAD and SPD (where I am from) should simply require all new ministers be commissioned – not ordained. That respects the GC decision but ensures equality amongst all new clergy. Commissioned ministers can otherwise with permission, under the SDA Manual, carry out all the same roles as ordained ministers, including baptisms, marriages and funderals etc.

    The major barrier is only someone ordained can be President, open new churches and ordain local elders. However, I think a male ordained President (possibly supported by an ordained Deputy(s)) can do that.

    Local elders can all be ordained by the President or his deputies en mass, at annual camp meetings, annual Presidential visists and sessions etc. The SDA Manuals allow local elders to perform all functions of elders in the meantime, except running communion.

    This model makes almost all clergy equal regardless of gender – all are commissioned. The only gender restriction would be in the office of President, which must be an ordained male. I think that a good interim solution.

  13. Anne
    13 July 2015 @ 11:37 am

    The notion that we should reach the youth by being liberal is changing how we do things in many ways. Many churches have adopted music that is secular just to please the youth. Our churches sound like clubs with the kind of din that comes out from the pulpit. Most churches do not use hymnals anymore. Church is just a feel good, entertaining place. All this to appease the youth. The dress code is no different from the world. Women, even the elderly are dressing in skimpy low necked-show it all dresses, and our girls come to church dressed like they are going to the clubs. Pastors wear T-Shirts and jeans. Just to make our youth happy. When one day they are grown and need direction. Who will be there to do it? What will they fall back on? Most of the hymns we sing are over 300 years old. We always had youth. Why are these ones more important than all the rest? I was once young, no one changed the way we worship for me although I loved the pop music of my time. When I went to church I still had to sing the hymns. I still had to wear a decent dresses. I did not necessarily enjoy the hymns then but I am so glad that I learned to sing them. Now that is all I enjoy singing. I have forgotten most of the pop songs that I loved to sing. I am happy that nobody changed the way things were done to accommodate me. I pity our youth, one day they will grow up and feel disappointed that their parents can sing all those beautiful hymnals yet all they know are seven words repeated seven time

  14. Michael Wortman
    13 July 2015 @ 2:15 pm

    But Anne, didn’t you know that you did benefit from the changes made by some churchgoers before you? Aren’t you aware that some of the beloved hymns were originally old bar songs? Loosen up a little. You sound almost bitter that you didn’t get to enjoy being catered to. Many of us didn’t see much change during our growing up years. Let’s not begrudge the happiness that some of the newer modes of religious expression bring to younger church members. It may not be our cup of tea, but when you enjoy being around others you learn to make adjustments. Don’t you think?

  15. CLEM MORGAN
    18 July 2015 @ 7:12 am

    My dear family the church voted not to ordain women and some Divisions went ahead and did so and some women are feeling saddened why? The TED needs to look at the response of the church of England in the Sunday Times they reported that some women Bishops say ” our Mother which art in heaven” they could not believe the route this ordination would have taken them Equality of the world is dangerous. Do we follow mans Equality or mans Equality as there equality may soon say a man can marry his daughter, before you say nonsense that was the same attitude to same sex relationships and marriage mans equality says love should not be denied in any form therefore watch out for zoophiles.

    Be peculiar SDA it appears we want to be of the world and not be different. Brethren testing times shaking out times, the Devil is cunning in his ways. Press on SDA

    Disappointed to hear my leaders in the TED BUC SEC NEC where they cannot say well the church has spoken and it appears its they own will they want satisfied and other feelings this is not a feelings thing.

    Clem

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