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  1. Ella M
    15 June 2012 @ 9:14 pm

        I haven't read Part I yet, but can see already how the above incidents, and your perception of these experiences are going to color your story.  I guess I would feel more comfortable with a more objective reporter.  I have seen political manuevers as well within the church system and experienced some that left questions for a long time, but they are not unlike what happens in any organization.  We just expect more of our own church family and become disappointed.  But, am I right that most hospital employees are not Adventists?  Why does it carry the name?
       However, if something is illegal and unethical, you will need to provide plenty of back-up and resources.  You are in my prayers.

  2. Ella M
    15 June 2012 @ 9:21 pm

         I can't find Part 1–where is it on here?  I remember seeing it and started to read it.

  3. John Bunting
    15 June 2012 @ 10:08 pm

    • Elaine Nelson
      15 June 2012 @ 10:42 pm

      Ella, do your self a favor and see the interview before you pass judgment.  As Andrew wrote, it is the immediate reaction when hearing of such a scandal to dimiss it as "sour grapes" without content.

      How do you perceive an "objective reporter"  What are the qualifications?  A good reporter will thoroughly investigate before writing a report as he knows he will be instantly attacked, especially if in involves one own church.

      I listened to Patricia's entire story.  She was a Christian, dedicated to serving the Lord, which is why she chose to work at a Christian hospital.  She worked there for many years and discovered as a risk manager the undeniable fraud that was being perpetrated by the highest officers of the hospital.

      She went to the administration and was rebuffed; she tried to work within the administration but after some time she realized it was going to remain "buried under the rug."  This represented millions of dollars, not mere pennies; as well as obstruction and elimination of vital medical records–a federal offense.

      She went to the FBI, Attorney General Eric Holder, and Senator Grassley, who is an overseer of medial practices.  So far, nothing has been done.  Except, that for being a whistleblower she was terminated–completely against the law as whistleblowers are to be protected under federal law.

      Please take time to view the entire video, and then report back.

      My daughter, a nurse for 45 years viewed the video and was in shock after seeing it–that this could occur in an SDA hospital, the largest in the state of Florida.  I, too, am absolutely stunned that it has received so few comments.  Evidently, this is how the hospital has gotten away with fraud:  people shrug their shoulders and are uninterested.  They had rather talk about ID or proper Sabbath observance.

  4. Elaine Nelson
    15 June 2012 @ 10:46 pm

    For the benefit of those who haven't seen the video, here's the link:

  5. tooblessed
    16 June 2012 @ 1:17 am

    OMG. I just looked at part 1 and I'm absolutely stunned. Can anyone provide clarity as to how the hospital connects (ie: reporting lines) to the church? If this actually happened why is Ted Wilson or any of our elite spiritual leaders not stepping in?  

  6. Elaine Nelson
    16 June 2012 @ 3:12 am

    If more people would venture to watch this video they would also agree with your expressions.  It is only because few have known that such things continue.  If everyone on AToday blog would watch and give the link to their SDA friends, it would not continue to be ignored.  It is up to us to guard the foxes, isn't it?

  7. cb25
    17 June 2012 @ 3:02 am

    I have read both blogs, watched the video and followed several other links.

    I had a particular experience with leaders in power when in ministry and in light of my experience I have not the shadow of doubt that there is substance to Patricia's reports. Power can so easily corrupt, and when one believes they are "doing God's work" in defending a medical institution or Church name then there is little limit to what can be justified.

  8. Elaine Nelson
    17 June 2012 @ 6:55 pm

    It is very easy to claim "circumstantial, tenuous, and inflammatory evidences," without any counter arguments.

    That another individual came forth with evidence of illegal actions does not refute either.  If someone has contrary evidence, please present it, but to merely
    claim that they are questioned on the basis of one's impression, means nothing.
    Until that has been done, the one individual, Patricia, is the only one with evidence that to date has not ever been refuted.

    Those who have watched such congressional inquirie buried or ignore should not at all be surprised that this also was buried.  Or, it could be under investigation currently and at some future date it might be revealed.  It will not be the first time that there was years lag between incidents before prosecution.

    Even if it does not reach the halls of congress, where is the SDA oversight protecting Adventism's good name? 

  9. Elaine Nelson
    17 June 2012 @ 7:00 pm

    Wasn't it the Pope and cardinals who "hid" priestly pedophilia as long as 50 years in some instances? 


    Where is the story "incomplete" and how would you, as a reporter, file a story on this?  Would you wait for additional evidence?

    In the WaPo of two days ago, Woodward and Bernstein added more and new information to the Watergate affair.  How many years ago was that?  Their original stories were "incomplete" but should they have waited 40 years until they had "complete information"?  How necessary is it to have ALL information before an illegality is demonstrated?  Where was Patricia's story erroneous or insufficient to determine illegal actions?

  10. Patricia Moleski
    18 June 2012 @ 5:42 pm

    Brad Joseph Moroney-Husband of Patricia Moleski-Moroney
    I am always amazed at the restorative power inherent in other people's ability to reflexively dismiss suffering as a self -.indulgent experiment in martyrdome. It is restorative because it clerifies the battle objectives that people with purpose and conviction face, and the largest and most difficult challenge in affecting change is penetrating the ignorance of the status quo thinker who believes that profound injustice will,with the passage of time, fix itself. These people, whose speech drip with interposition and nullification, are the traditional caretakers of social and spiritual stagnation and death, and the enemies of justice. They are far more deadly than the few who commit crimes of greed or violence, since they could, if they recognized and organizred their collosal power for good, minimize the destruction brought by these ignominious few. Instead, they fail in their courage to counter any injustice that the majority accepts, and have no spine to stand up for the still small voice that, all too often, the majority ignores or condemns. Justice is an act of sheer will power in the face of incredible odds, and those who fight with uncommon valor have always irritated those with no vision or who suffer from a deplorable shortage of intelligence and courage, and, above all…faith and love of God. They are emmissaries of injustice, and stunt the spiritual learning curve of humanity. I love you, Patty…my wife, my friend, my fighter.

  11. Elaine Nelson
    18 June 2012 @ 6:30 pm


    A heartfelt thank you for your very incisive comments.  It is also amazing how a strong belief and committment, plus a paycheck can so blind and deceive that those who should be condemning such injustice, turn a blind eye.  That is what always allows injustice to flourish.  "It doesn't affect me, so why get involved" was the exact refrain of  the Germans during the Holocaust.

  12. Elaine Nelson
    21 June 2012 @ 3:58 am

    And this letter proves what?

    That there are conspiracists within Adventism, even the clergy, does not negate that there are also many things occurring because the sunshine does not break through the opaque walls built up by officials.  There is no transparency and no accounting of much that goes on behind closed doors.

    What is your specific and particular reasons for concluding that Patricia Moelski is not being truthful?  Accusations are meaningless unless accompanied by specific facts, not opinions.  What are the qualifications for determining that this is entire farcial?  Not a single fact has yet been given that denies the truth of her claims.  You can be the first. 

  13. Barbara Clark
    21 June 2012 @ 8:59 pm

    Honestly Mr. Wells…..

     If you are the Jason Wells who I believe you are then of course you would be saying these things. It is so common for people to throw rocks when it gets close to home.

    To answer the post by Timo Onjukka
    “ I would believe having some statements from Barbara re the comp case she has been denied for 18 years might be helpful. I do suspect, however, there will be no such thing forthcoming, and quite possibly because the denial itself was justified”

    I am unclear as to what sort of statement you would like? Is everything Patricia states true? Yes 100%.
    Do I have an award for medical treatment pertaining to my injuries suffered while working at an Adventist Hospital in 1994? Yes . The Award went all the way to the California Supreme Court May 15 2002, Has treatment been denied since? Yes. Do I have another award? Yes issued June 7,2012. Were Adventist held liable for my injury? Yes as far back as 1995. Have they been liable for my injury? Yes. Are they following the CA Supreme Court ruling? NO
    Were 8 restraining orders filed against me? Yes. In 2006, 8 workplace violence restraining orders were filed against me in Placer County. I have not worked for AHS since 1997 and I never worked in Placer County. I have never seen or spoken to 5 of the people that filed restraining orders against me. Has Adventist ever produced the proof that I sent death threat letters to them and that a Psychiatrist issued a diagnosis that deemed me a dangerous person as per sworn testimony from one of the restraining order holders? No.
     Have my Medical records been tampered with? Yes. Have my medical records disappeared? Yes. DHHS (Department of Health and Human Services verified this through an investigation) Have they endangered my life? Yes.
    Do I personally make any statements that I cannot prove in writing? NO.
    I hope this answers some of your concerns.



  14. Elaine Nelson
    23 June 2012 @ 1:36 am


    I appreciate your inability to believe these accusations, but what about the video leads you to doubt the story:  Patricia is deliberately lying?  It is impossible for these records to have been deleted?  If they were true there would have already been public denials for a public accusation?

    It is easy to disbelieve and claim they are ludicrous, but can you be more specific in identifying what to you seems completely implausible?  Are you unconvinced that the accusations could never have been performed?  Or, is it merely intuition that people are seeking publicity and/or financial gain?  Is it impossible because it is an accusation against Adventists and that it my personal belief that is back of this?

    FYI, I only was aware of this when AToday published just as all other readers here.  I would have the same exact feeling were it a hospital in my home town or in San Francisco.  It is completely possible, but it should be completely investigated and dispel all rumors

  15. Barbara Clark
    23 June 2012 @ 4:37 am

    Timo, to answer your comment, I will make it very clear to all readers. I have one website that is it. I have nothing to hide. I have seen some of the you tubes and someone has chosen to do this for whatever reason. That is all I have to say to that.
    As to: What is your real beef with "Adventist"?.
    All this started shortly after I was injured, actually within 24 hours after I was injured. I got kicked in the face by a patient in Labor, my head struck a concrete wall approximately 12 inches behind me, there were numerous witnesses. The next day when my teeth fell out is when the nightmare began. I have been accused of everything from faking the injury to “someone else must have knocked my teeth out“. When I tried to get help going from the supervisor all the way to administration every thing in the book was thrown at me. I even contacted Pastor Larry Downing after one of my Doctors suggested I speak to him. Larry Downing is a good man, but even his attempts fell on deaf ears.  This is not difficult, I was injured on the job and thought AHS would do the right thing treat me and get me back to work. But instead they have spent hundreds and thousands of dollars fighting me, hiring investigators, deposing me over and over again. Deposing doctors over and over again. Threatening my doctors in writing, that if they treated me AHS would refuse payment. Telling my Dr’s and the Judge who issued my award for treatment, that I never had an award for treatment. Giving false testimony under oath. Harassing my elderly mother who lives on a different continent. Producing false medical records. Padding my claim with medical records and bills from different people’s medical records, names and SSN’s included,  and on and on it goes.
    AHS knows what the liability of this case is they had my case evaluated, a medicare setaside was performed by AHS and sent to me, are they willing to settle the case? NO. I just received another award and order and believe me they will take this for another round to the Supreme Court. So if my story does not pass muster, I am sorry. There is no financial gain in this because nothing will give my children there younger years back, it will not make the horrific pain I had to suffer for over a decade with a broken neck go away, it will not give me 18 years of my life back.  I have done my homework and I do not pull stuff out of thin air and I also do not believe in Black helicopters.



  16. Patricia Moleski
    29 June 2012 @ 4:40 pm

    THIS is Dina. J. Padilla, form I was with Barbara Clarke just after  she received those restraining orders. I SAW THOSE RESTRAINING ORDERS & WHAT LIES WERE IN THEM! The WHOLE of the WC system is pro-employer no matter what & in it, is the most pervasive criminal acts that one cannot even imagine, until one has to file a comp claim. The ins industry/self-insured employers will DO ANYTHING TO keep form paying out a claim, like attempted murder, murder, besides other criminal acts  which are the norm. With myself & others wh ahve been through the system & its crimes , along witnessing many others. The people who suffer are the ones like Karen Silkwood did after being exposed to radiation.
    My profound appreciation for the people who dare stand up to institutional/corporate terrorism. Who are the real christians, those who do what is right & not comfortable!!!! NOT those who call themselves christian & hurt those they are supposed to help, as Christ would have done.. I spoke with a mormon in Colorado many years ago who went through the same thing, along with many of his church members who also spoke out against those in his church who knew the same obligarcy tyranny & terrorism, because it is what it is. Those who speak against those who rail against truth & justice, are more then likely involved in the coverup & will do everything to discredit GOD's TRUTH! What happened to Patricia is unfortunately all too common. Millions of injured workers suffer needlessly & yes, workers ar no more important than those killed in the holocaust. Same activity, different generation. There are many ways to kill someone & many more ways to injure them, all for profit , not prophet!

  17. Andrew Hanson
    21 September 2012 @ 3:49 pm

    You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can't, you do the next best thing. You backup, but you don't give up
    Chuck Yeager

    The this entire story, through Part 5, can be found at

  18. Anonymous
    21 September 2012 @ 11:29 pm

    More facts, Andy. Just the facts. You can only churn factual allegations for so long.