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  1. Vernon P. Wagner
    12 July 2013 @ 6:53 pm

    Biblical tales abound with examples of demonic 'miracles.'  When Moses was in Egypt, everyone's staff became a snake.  Present day magicians are admitted masters of illusion.  Fooling the public in this manner is not new.

    • Mark Gutman
      12 July 2013 @ 10:35 pm

      The issue in the article is not miracles.  The question is, How willing are we to hear two sides of an issue, to weigh pros and cons?  When we're approaching a new issue, we may be open to either of two sides, but when we have become comfortable with one position, it becomes harder to bother with letting a differing position take our time or mental effort.

      • Vernon P. Wagner
        13 July 2013 @ 6:29 am

        Yes, but it contains the requisites for Vatican sanctioned sainthood…miracles.  My personal beliefs reject a declaration of sainthood by ANY earthly organization.  Most of the major cities in Alta & Baja California were named for Catholic 'saints.'  A review of their lives, however, reveals much unsaintly behavior.  San Juan Capistrano gained sainthood for having run the Inquisition in Toledo where he managed to burn over 50,000 Moors & Jews at the stake.

  2. William Noel
    13 July 2013 @ 1:26 am

    OK, so you're contented and relaxed.  Are you empowered?  Are you seeing God working through you in power that is beyond human ability?  If not, your reason for feeling contented may be an illusion.  Could it be that there is something left that you need to study?   

    • Bugs-Larry Boshell
      13 July 2013 @ 7:11 pm

      More study, more prayer, more meditation, more everything. Sorry, Noel, that is the placebo offered by true believers to solve every entellectual enterprise.

      • William Noel
        14 July 2013 @ 7:19 pm

        Please explain more clearly.  I'm not understanding your point. 

  3. Vernon P. Wagner
    13 July 2013 @ 8:31 pm

    The 'truth' is not an absolute…it's a quest.

  4. Elaine Nelson
    13 July 2013 @ 9:45 pm

    Truth is a GOAL, never reached, but always sought.

  5. Truth Seeker
    13 July 2013 @ 11:17 pm

    Within the SDA church there are settled matters such as the seventh day Sabbath, e.g. However, that does not mean we should not investgate for ourselves to understand the doctrine more fully. If is is a settled doctrine it seems to me subversive to try and find fault with it since so often we can find what we are looking for somewhere in the haystack.

    We could well find weaknesses in our understanding of fixed and settled doctrine and seek to strengthen our understanding; that makes sense to me.

  6. earl calahan
    13 July 2013 @ 11:36 pm

    Settled doctrines, sounds like "tradition", which is the whip used against the RC church. "Good enough for great, great, grandpa, its good enough for me". This position i believe, closes the mind to deeper study & interpretive value, and negates the possibility of any God given latter day prophecy.

    • Vernon P. Wagner
      14 July 2013 @ 4:03 am

      Agreed, Earl.  The term 'tradition' has no place in an objective search for enlightenment.  Unless tradition can be evaluated, and set aside, progress is stifled.  Early SDAs picked, and chose which Mosaic Laws to keep, and rejected the rest.  Inasmuch as the term 'heretic' means one who chooses, we may imagine how Jews feel about Christians who pick their 'traditions' apart.