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  1. Doctorf
    17 May 2014 @ 1:14 am

    We were not evolved to be strict vegetarians. We are omnivores. Omnivoric diets with representation of all food groups, along with healthy life styles are probably superior to the vegetarian cult diets of SDA's and vegans.

  2. Joe Erwin
    17 May 2014 @ 8:10 am

    While I am a strong supporter of epidemiological research, such research often includes selective elements that lead to questionable conclusions. First, of course, is the potential for confusing correlation with causality. But, next, is the potential for correlated factors to load results. For example, people who have various health issues–perhaps especially such things as allergies–to resort to unusual ways of addressing their health problems, including various fads or vegetarian or vegan diets. And, let's face it, psychometric scales might well identify individuals who are prone to resorting to unusual or extreme diets as having mental health issues. Are vegans and vegetarians nuts? No, not all of them. 

  3. Stephen Foster
    17 May 2014 @ 9:36 am

    If we were really evolved as omnivores, why do we have to cook flesh foods for purposes of mastication and digestion? Why don’t we just eat it and enjoy it like the carnivorous animals do?
     
    The vegetables that we cook don't really have to be cooked to be digested. I suppose the flesh may not either; but does anyone doubt that our bodies are far, far better suited for peaches or grapes than for raw animal flesh?
     
    Just the other day, while driving down a country road I disturbed a vulture enjoying some road kill. Think about it. (Is this yet another example of where common sense would seem to trump everything?)

  4. Joe Erwin
    17 May 2014 @ 12:37 pm

    Stephen and others interested in thoughts on why humans usually cook their food may wish to read Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human (Profile Books, 2009), by my friend (with whom I had dinner last night in La Jolla), Richard Wrangham. While I am not endorsing the book or the ideas, I do know Richard to be a thoughtful guy who has done a lot of work on this issue, and I think the information in this book should be given serious consideration. The ideas have been discussed widely, both by critics and supporters.

    • Stephen Foster
      18 May 2014 @ 4:00 pm

      To be candid, it’s doubtful that I’ll be investing any money on Wrangham’s book. Certainly I have some interest; but if we are omnivores, then by nature we are ’designed’ or ‘evolved’ to process both flesh and plant food with practically equal facility; which clearly is not the case. If it was the case, we wouldn’t need to cook pigs to eat them. Our teeth, jaws, and digestive tracts are designed to eat grapes, peaches, and apples.
       
      Admittedly this begs the question about carnivores—seemingly evolved or designed to eat flesh; but I’m (obviously) interested in human beings. For all intents and purposes the scriptural narrative and record is all about us. (Besides, is rapid adaptive evolution proven impossible?)
       
      Doesn’t it make sense that we cooked with fire because we are human rather than cooking with fire making us human? Tell us what your friend says Joe.
       
      Isn’t the point of all of this: whether we were designed as we are; or whether we randomly evolved this way?
       
      Jack Hoehn reasoning would imply that we were purposefully designed to evolve this way; or that we evolved this way designedly.  This would, among other things, negate the idea that we were created in the image of the Designer (I would think). It would also seem to negate the scriptural ‘death as consequence for/of sin’ philosophy. In other words, this approach undermines scripture, whether well-meaning (as I reckon), or not.
       
      This whole religion thing, at least from a Judeo-Christian perspective is about human minds. Our minds are the battlefield, aren’t they?

  5. earl calahan
    18 May 2014 @ 5:47 pm

    Evaluation of atmospheric poisionous fallout could be a factor on plant and grass foods, in various locales. i have been a meat eater for all but 20 years of my upper 80's life. i eat a lot of seeds, nuts, fruit, salads, 2-3 ounces of sweet red wine daily in fruit juices, 3 cups of coffee, in the mornings only, and occasionally some meat, although the quantity is perhaps 4-5 ounces per. i generally eat only twice a day.i find as i age the quantity of food intake is less and less. i agree with Steven that the teeth of humans was designed for softer foods, and not the sinews of meat. Thatsthe reason we have hamburger & other processed meat products. There's no doubt humans can eat anything and love it, if fed the product as soon as babies have teeth. The cannibilism regimen of air crash survivors in the Andes in SA, prove that man will eat anything in order to live. Was there a reference to the longevity of the Austrian vegans??

  6. Deb Britenbaker
    19 May 2014 @ 1:13 am

    A vegetarian or vegan diet can be unhealthy if it is heavy on processed and refined foods, sugars, caffeine, and fats. I mean, potato chips are vegan, but that does not make them healthy or nutritious. It is necessary to eat the Superfoods that meet your bodies requirements for true physical and Spiritual wellness. 

  7. Joe Erwin
    19 May 2014 @ 4:07 am

    While hunter-gatherer societies did not have to worry about eating too many potato chips or hamburgers and hotdogs, many of them did have to worry about getting enough calories to sustain life. Gathering (nearly vegan, aside from gathering eggs and shellfish) was pretty vital, but often insufficient. And in some areas of human habitation, people came to depend heavily on meat and animal fat–even large amounts eaten raw in some societies. Am I wrong, or does not scripture indicate that God loves the smell of sizzling lamb fat. Aha! Just a thought. Maybe that's what hell is all about. It could be fueled by a large number of obese people….
     

    • Stephen Foster
      19 May 2014 @ 7:39 pm

      You’re humorous, but it’s not clear to me what the typical sacrifice of lambs has to do with whether our bodies were designed to eat plants or animals.
       
      Deb Britenbaker makes an excellent point about other stuff (processed and manmade foods) that our bodies weren’t exactly designed to process.