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  1. Nathaniel Moore
    24 September 2015 @ 5:13 pm

    Why are we, Adventists, so touchy about every move of the Pope? Our preachers who try to interpret bible prophecies for us, have succeeded to instil in most of us a mortal fear for the influence and some of the actions of the Roman Catholic leadership. It might do us better to discard our persecution complex, and trust God to guide and protect us daily, if we believe in His care and guidance. The Pope and his followers are going about their business. Why don’t we go about ours, and stop being afraid of people who may not even be thinking of hurting us?

    • Serge Agafonoff
      24 September 2015 @ 8:06 pm

      Behold, an Adventist in whom there is no guile, Nathaniel:
      “It might do us better to discard our persecution complex, and trust God to guide and protect us daily, if we believe in His care and guidance.” Absolutely, Nathaniel, Amen and Amen!

      • David Sang'anyi
        28 November 2015 @ 7:46 am

        I fully agree with Nathaniel’s comments.Some SDA adherents ARE CAUSING UNNECESSARY PANIC IN THE CHURCH.Ellen white warned about this.People should go on with their normal work while awaiting fulfillment of the prophesy at the appropriate time.SDA followers should be happy when this happens for God would have remembered his peoples’ world suffering.

    • William Noel
      26 September 2015 @ 6:04 am

      Why are we so touchy about the pope? Because we have far greater confidence in the power of evil than we do the power of God. Did Satan create this world by speaking and making substance exist where before there was nothing? I don’t think so. Did Satan die on a cross so that we could be forgiven, then rise again so we could have newness of life and eternal life? I can’t find that in my Bible. Does Satan promise to empower believers with the Holy Spirit so they can command demons to depart as Jesus cast the demons out of the demoniac at Gadara? That would be a house divided against itself!

      Why are so many Adventists so afraid of the Pope? Because they are believers in doctrines instead of believers in God.

      • sufferingsunfish
        26 September 2015 @ 1:13 pm

        Who is afraid of the Pope? Got any stats on it?

      • Miruka Daniel
        27 September 2015 @ 12:06 am

        Very true. We need not be afraid; the war is not ours. Our sole duty is to be confident in the Lord’s promises.

      • Stephen Foster
        27 September 2015 @ 5:29 am

        There is literally a world of difference between being both cognizant and in agreement with how our Protestant forefathers interpreted the symbols representative of the RCC and the papacy in prophecy, and being afraid of it.

        There is a world of difference between being vigilant or watchful—and even excited—with regard to current events involving these entities and others and being afraid of them.

        We are Protestants for a reason, and we have been provided with access to the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation of Jesus Christ for a reason. If talking about them and sharing these Protestant interpretations with others at an historic time—especially in view of the solemn and sobering words found in Revelation 14—is something you would rather not do (for whatever reasons); then so be it.

        But the first of the three angels in Revelation 14, whose message was “Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come. Worship Him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and the springs of water” was said to have “had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth (NIV).” So why or how could that possibly NOT apply to the entirety of the three angels messages; and why do you openly, actively, and consistently discourage the discussion and dissemination of the third angel’s message; and why associate it with “fear”?

        I’m not trying to be provocative at this point, but would like to understand.

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    • George Tichy
      26 September 2015 @ 5:17 pm

      This paranoia about the Catholics has been instilled in us and is part of our SDA culture. Remember that these ideas are in the red books, and people often cannot “think out of the boox.”…

      Sometimes people can’t even think clearly on these issues because their logical thinking has been hijacked, if not erased completely.

      • Marcos Ariel
        21 March 2016 @ 9:51 am

      • Kathy
        18 July 2016 @ 6:46 pm

        I am a devout catholic and have been all my life. Never have we or our church ever been taught to hate anything but evil! My brothers and sisters in Jesus we DONT ever want to hurt you or ever see you hurt! All we ask anyone is that we all love our Father through the Son by the Holy Spirit as Jesus requested and any other means is a blessing passed down to us by Saint Peters successor,our Holy Father the Pope to try and make that choice easier as to come to fruition. I do though also enjoy the writings by pacific press because a lot of our beliefs are so closely connected. May God love you ,Jesus keep you, and the Holy Spirit enlighten you. As this is how all catholics feel about all our brothers and sisters throughout the world regardless of race,religion,creed, or physicality. May our triune God three persons of one spirit Bless you Forever!

        • Bill Sorensen
          18 July 2016 @ 8:36 pm

          “I am a devout catholic and have been all my life. Never have we or our church ever been taught to hate anything but evil! My brothers and sisters in Jesus we DONT ever want to hurt you or ever see you hurt!”

          Kathy, your personal opinion does not represent the official position of the Catholic church. And history does not support your position. I suggest you study the history of the church you belong to, and carefully examine the theology and doctrines your church articulates.

          What the Catholic church does when she is powerless is one thing, and what she will do when she gets total control is another. Like most Roman Catholics and even Muslims, people don’t even know what their religion is all about.

    • Sully Grand-Jean
      28 September 2015 @ 12:23 am

      My statement is not wrong since I used your own statement from your own website in the “About”, “History”, and so on to discover that you are a double agent with a double mission pretending that you are adventists to better fool weak people with false doctrines and inviting confusion to shake souls. You don’t show any respect for the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA: You reject the Spirit of Prophecy by criticizing Ellen G White and her writings, specifically, “The Great Controversy”. You desecrate the Ten Commandments of God by having and imposing another god, which is the Pope, before the God Creator. You are worshiping the Beast and you are forcing other people to do the same. You asked the president Wilson to call the pope ,”Your Holiness” it is again a violation of the first commandment. This title is reserved to Jesus only as the “Holy King”. You can’t serve two masters. You must choose between Jesus and the pope. ” No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” Mathew 6:24. We must watch for Jesuit’s infiltration in SDA Church.

      • Cherry
        28 September 2015 @ 11:54 am

        Shouldn’t our church be welcoming the pope etc.? If prophecy is involved with this pope’s visit doesn’t that mean that Jesus is coming soon? Isn’t that a good thing? I don’t understand the hand ringing and catastrophe predictions etc. anytime something end times comes up. It will happen and there is not much worrying can do to change it. We need to have Jesus as our best friend all the time. Fear isn’t the best way to interest others in Jesus.

      • Florence mufwambi
        05 October 2015 @ 8:17 am

        you are right equally confused with this sda church’s position.i can’t really tell whether they are sda or Catholics in disguise

    • Maryann Lee
      28 September 2015 @ 7:33 am


    • Ratu
      20 February 2016 @ 9:00 am

      I don’t think they are afraid of the pope…. It’s because we cannot as Adventist support one world religion especially if it’s a Pope led influence… If you’re a true adventist than you will know what’s right from wrong…. Our Faith in God with his holy spirit helps us see things the right way… If we say that we have faith in God but deny his Teachings than what’s the point… We should be careful when we change views in church or implementing Modern Christian views… Gods has not and will not change since the beginning, so why should we let Pope penetrate church.. If they neglect Gods law than we cannot attend or support such conference…thank you SDA leaders. God be the glory

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    24 September 2015 @ 5:47 pm

    Does the church still claim Sheila Jackson Lee as a member? Why? Ďoes she attend church anywhere? Queen of nasty?

    • Ted Robertson
      24 September 2015 @ 6:08 pm

      As long as she is on the books, she is an Adventist. The local congregation is responsible for membership. The denomination at large is not in authority to dismiss anyone from church membership.

    • N/A
      25 September 2015 @ 6:00 pm

      Ms. Lee is still a member of a church in her Texas district, though I can’t recall which one. I do understand that she attends when in town.

    • sufferingsunfish
      26 September 2015 @ 1:17 pm

      And Delbert Baker introduced Sheila at the last GC Session;it was noted that she was minus her usual bangles.
      I believe the Review and any other officials who name her as an SDA to boost recognition of the church does a disservice to the church.

      Check her website and her position on various items. I saw where a survey named her as the meanest member of Congress.

    • Sharon Brown
      27 September 2015 @ 12:05 pm

      When since is she an Adventist? … although SDA today multiply tongues like Chaplain Black and this lady that dress and look like the world. …coulda fooled me.

    24 September 2015 @ 10:21 pm

    Pastor Stephen Bohr, “an outspoken advocate of headship theology against the ordination of women”, has very little divergence or distinctiveness from the Pope, when he is totally “in bed” with the Roman church in his denigration of women.

    Like the Catholics, who canonize the Virgin Mary, elevating her higher than Christ, while relegating all other women to secondary status, Pastor Bohr, places EGW on a pedestal, while conferring secondary citizenship on all other women.

    Like the Catholics, Bohr cites Pauline texts in defense of his doctrine. He ignores the fact that EGW was in complete defiance of Paul’s doctrines.

    She was NEVER “silent ” but extremely voluble in countless churches over many decades and continents.

    She also defied the Pauline precepts in exerting extreme authority over male Adventists of her era. Her vehement denunciations of Adventist men, resulting in many ruined reputations, have been collated in TESTIMONIES FOR THE CHURCH. Her few “testimonies” to women were to mothers warning them of what their sons were doing (masturbating).

    Every Adventist male from pubescent boys to prominent professionals was under her “authority”.

    The patriarchal patronage system which controls our “priesthood ” is very Papist in its theology and application, and Bohr is its most prominent proponent!.

    Pastor Bohr, you are “like the pot calling the kettle black” when you rail against the Pope! How “beastly” of you!

    • Sharon Brown
      27 September 2015 @ 12:06 pm

      Your reply shows your total ignorance. What does one thing have to do with the other???????

    • Maryann Lee
      28 September 2015 @ 7:37 am


  4. cliford
    25 September 2015 @ 12:04 am

    it is naïve to mix one`s position on woman ordination with position on other bible truths

  5. Sam Geli
    25 September 2015 @ 4:07 am

    After years of working in ministry, I’ve come to realize that busyness is not always a good measure of effectiveness. What people need most, of course, is Jesus.

    What would Pope Francis say to us very busy Adventists?

    When he met with the College of Cardinals for the first time as pope, Francis vowed, “We will make an effort to respond faithfully to the eternal mission: to bring Jesus Christ to humanity, and to lead humanity to an encounter with Jesus Christ: the Way, the Truth and the Life, truly present in the Church and, at the same time, in every person.”

    In response to Pope Francis’ global popularity, National Journal’s Ron Fournier recently tweeted, “Catholic is the new cool.”

    I am grateful for the example of Pope Francis. With his humility, pastoral passion, and focus on the gospel, he reminds us of the person whose name he bears. And of the Savior whose Kingdom he serves.

    Pope Francis offers this word of encouragement to us all, whether Catholic or Adventist:

    “I have a dogmatic certainty: God is in every person’s life. God is in everyone’s life. Even if the life of a person has been a disaster, even if it is destroyed by vices, drugs or anything else—God is in this person’s life. You can, you must try to seek God in every human life. Although the life of a person is a land full of thorns and weeds, there is always a space in which the good seed can grow. You have to trust God.”

    • Al
      25 September 2015 @ 10:03 am

      How can you even come to agree with a false teaching of the gospel, might as well hang out with voodoo priests, and

    • William Noel
      26 September 2015 @ 6:07 am

      I find great irony in the fact that the Pope would be calling his followers to minister the love of God according to the example and commands of Jesus but Adventists are stuck on preaching and arguing about doctrine.

      • Rob Broyles
        26 September 2015 @ 6:01 pm

        William Noel said, “the Pope…calling his followers to minister the love of God according to the example and commands of Jesus but Adventists are stuck on preaching and arguing about doctrine.”

        So are you calling the preaching of the gospel, doctrine? If so you are confused. There’s only one gospel, and according to Paul anyone who preaches “another gospel” then the one he taught should be accursed. See Gal chapter one.

        The gospel of the Roman Church is really no gospel at all. The immaculate conception is a false, legalistic gospel. The true gospel is “the truth as it is in Christ”.

    • George Tichy
      26 September 2015 @ 5:22 pm

      His speech today about Freedom of Religion was great. I can’t see how he could ever recant from his statements. Besides, his life attests that he is sincere, honest, and humble.

  6. Larry
    25 September 2015 @ 11:25 am

    Everything about that religion (Catholic) is a disaster, other than the image they present to the public. Let’s go to the Bible and SOP & deal with the issues based on Divine Counsel. A quote comes to mind (paraphrasing) Only when it is to late to escape the clutches of the Beast Power will the world/U.S. realize the trap that has been set to draw the world in. She does not change, she only adjusts her plans to gain the advantage she needs to gain her objectives. This is the 1st Beast Power of Rev. 13. Time to wake up.
    Another twist to this is that they do not believe in birth control, so you have numerous predominately Catholic countries overrun with people on the brink of starvation. He (Pope) goes before Congress wanting us to keep our borders open, which our deluded Admin., is doing anyway. The reason they want us to take all these people is to flood America with more Catholic voters so that they can control what happens in our Govt. We will soon be another 3rd world country operating under Papacy control if they have their way. You have Pergatory, indulgences, men forgiving sins, etc. etc. Lets don’t align our belief system with a totally false religious system that wants to be in control of our country and the world. This is the same organization that killed over a hundred million people in the 2300 days that they were in charge of things, dark ages. It’s just a matter of time until they gain a foothold again, before the Lord returns and they are destroyed.

    • Billman
      26 September 2015 @ 12:34 am

      That figure of 100 million seems rather high. Do you have a source for that.

    • Jim Hamstra
      26 September 2015 @ 3:27 am

      According to traditional Millerite / SDA prophetic interpretation “they” were in-charge for 1,260 / 1,290 years. Miller taught that the 2,300 years encompasses 490 years before Christ, and 45 years after the French Revolution.

      Of course not everyone agrees with this interpretation. But I do not know any student of church or secular history, that would claim that the Christian church in general, or the RC church in particular, extends back a few centuries Before Christ.

    • Tomas Mba
      06 November 2015 @ 2:42 am

      I wonder what will SDA people say when Islam take over the whole world. It is the fastest growing religion.

  7. Bradley Litchfield
    25 September 2015 @ 11:38 am

    Pope Francis’ speeches/sermons to joint session of US Congress and UN General Assembly were stirring, profound and pastorally provocative!! He has some super sermon writers there in the Vatican. Probably Jesuits!
    Hearing his direct challenges to USA and world leaders I could almost convert to RC. Except for a few big issues (papal infallibility, universal priesthood of all believers, eucharist, etc.) Would any SDA General Conference President ever have the gumption to deliver such sermons in comparable forums, assuming he (or she?) could even get an invite?

  8. Gout Gout
    25 September 2015 @ 11:54 am

    The Leadership in Kenya-ECD is fulfilling the prophecy by going to court with its Church Members. It is said that Central Kenya Conference is now engaged with its members in court over the improper polls which took place when the ECD President chaired the illigal sessions which were not in his responsibilities. The court has temporaly ruled out that the incumbent leaders of that Conference should maintain their positions until the final rulling will take place in near future. It would be better for the SDA Church Leader to go down and see what would be the type of prophecy being fulfilled there.

  9. Sam Geli
    25 September 2015 @ 12:27 pm

    Larry on September 25, 2015 at 11:25 am said: “Everything about that religion (Catholic) is a disaster, other than the image they present to the public”.

    Images are very important Larry.Christian truth is an attractive and convincing “image” because it responds to the deep need of human existence, announcing in a convincing way that Christ is the one Saviour of the whole of man and of all men. Pope Francis told the media yesterday, “We need to proclaim the Gospel on every street corner, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing, even with our preaching, every kind of disease and wound.”
    “The church of Christ on earth was organized for missionary pur¬poses, and the Lord desires to see the entire church devising ways and means whereby high and low, rich and poor, may hear the message of truth..”—Ellen G. White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 6, p. 29.

    It cannot be denied that there is much to praise about the Pope and his “image” improvement for the Catholic church. Wolf Blitzer of CNN spoke of the Pope as having an image of an “atmosphere of grace”. Does this sound familiar?
    “In the matchless gift of His Son, God has encircled the whole world with an atmosphere of grace as real as the air which circulates around the globe. All who choose to breathe this life-giving atmosphere will live and grow up to the stature of men and women in Christ Jesus.”—Ellen G. White, Steps to Christ, p. 68.

    • Daniel
      27 September 2015 @ 1:52 pm


      You quoted EGW: “All who choose to breathe this life-giving atmosphere will live and grow up to the stature of men and women in Christ Jesus.”—Ellen G. White, Steps to Christ, p. 68.”


      “13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—..” Eph. 4:11-16.

      The “stature” of who?

      Ah, the deceptions of the world!

      The more I read the more confusion I see.


  10. Jordan River
    25 September 2015 @ 2:36 pm

    I’m waiting for the day when Pope Francis initiates a call to arrange a talk with Ted Wilson. I believe it will happen, as Francis has announced actions to reach out to many other groups. And so he should, as Adventists are a world-wide Christian organization and there is much to talk about, from hospitals and education to the Reformation and its heirs. Here’s my prediction: instead of participating in what could a historic and groundbreaking event, Wilson will decline, mostly out of fear of what the conservative Adventist wing will scream! But if he has great courage, then he will find a way to begin some kind of dialogue, even sharing of ideas from one great world leader to another. Will it happen? I hope so.

  11. earl calahan
    25 September 2015 @ 3:04 pm

    Ted Wilson, hmmm, Ted Wilson???? don’t recall ever hearing that name before. Is he one of ours????

    • Sully Grand-Jean
      26 September 2015 @ 6:00 pm

      To Mr. Ervin Taylor, To the Magazine Adventist Today, to the SDA President Ted Wilson, to the SDA members, and to the readers,
      May the grace and the peace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ be upon you!
      Let us make it clear to avoid confusion and deception in the midst of God’s people. The magazine called, “Adventist Today” is raising doubt, on purpose or by mission to panic the true ship of the true and unique Good Shepherd Jesus Christ. Is the Adventist Today a magazine belonging to the Seventh Day Adventist General Conference or its subsidiaries? No with big “N”. How do we know? It is easy. You may just go to their own site below and you will read the following,
      “AT is not subsidized or controlled by the Seventh-day Adventist denomination or any other religious group. It is an entirely independent journalistic enterprise answerable only to its readers and donors. AT is published by the Adventist Today Foundation, a nonprofit organization incorporated in the State of California in the United States”
      “AT”, as you know, stands for “Adventist Today”. Therefore, they declare it themselves, “AT” it is not an official magazine of the SDA Church, otherwise, it would have been called, “SDA today”. Having said that, they cannot represent us. They are dared to propose a letter to our President to speak in our behalf. This proposed letter show that the magazine “Adventist Today” is way more papist than Adventist. My beloved brothers and sisters, be aware of Wolf who come to…

      • Sully Grand-Jean
        26 September 2015 @ 6:17 pm

        My beloved brothers and sisters, be aware of Wolf who come to devour the ship because it is not the shepherd. As Jesus warned us himself in Mt 10:26-28, ““Therefore, don’t be afraid of those people because nothing is hidden that won’t be revealed, and nothing secret that won’t be brought out into the open. What I say to you in the darkness, tell in the light; and what you hear whispered, announce from the rooftops. Don’t be afraid of those who kill the body but can’t kill the soul. Instead, be afraid of the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell.”
        We are not afraid of betrayal, tribulation, torture, and death. Jesus suffered even more and died for us, it is a pride and great privilege to die for him in return to show him love, obedience, and faithfulness. No matter what kind of diplomatic language or reverse psychology the Antichrist might use, we all already knew the prophecy is being fulfilled. However, Jesus reserved for Himself, a huge multitude of women and men who kept his commandments, including the Sabbath Saturday to stay alive to acclaim Him from the sky, no man or Beast can destroy them. I am glad I am among the martyrs. No matter your role in the great tribulation, be happy and remain faithful until the last breath. The fear of death, cupidity, and materialism engender cowards, hypocrites, betrayals, and all lead to perdition. What other concerns do you probably have about that magazine “Adventist Today”? Do the owners and Editors have the same…

        • Sully Grand-Jean
          26 September 2015 @ 6:21 pm

          as the SDA members? They can answer for themselves. The following is their own answer to that question or you can again click that same link to go to their site,
          “We define “Adventist” in a broad sense, beyond the official members of one denomination, including a number of groups within the Adventist faith tradition, inactive and former members of these groups, and many people who were raised in Adventist families and today may participate in other denominations or faith communities, or no religion at all.”

          Did you take the time to read this from their own website? “We define Adventist in a broad sense…” Who are you to redefine the chosen people of God? Are you above God Himself who chose them? Why you suggest our president to take us to the Antichrist by a coward and ashamed apology for spreading the gospel of Jesus by giving away religious literature? The Adventist Today gave us the answer again, “former members of the SDA, some belong to other religions, and others have no religion”
          Those who have no religion might be even atheists! Those are the people who are feeding your soul in that magazine for so long, creating confusion, division, and shaking faith. Now you understand where the suggestion came from! All those people above are farouche enemies of the SDA Church. In the Parable of the Weeds, Jesus explained,
          “As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
          41 The Son of man…

          • Sully Grand-Jean
            26 September 2015 @ 6:23 pm

            shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
            42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
            43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.” Matthew 13:40-43 King James Version.
            So the weeds will be burnt soon and very soon. Deceitfulness will be over for ever. Jesus has broken the head of the Dragon through His resurrection, but the tail is still swinging around. The serpent can no longer stab with its venomous tongue, but he can only whip severely using its tail, but we are not scare of that. Soon, Jesus will burn it in hell with all its agents.
            Good news, my brethren, the Beast, which is the Antichrist of Rome, and the false prophet, which is the Antichrist of America will precede Satan in hell and will be thrown alive in the lake of fire because of their conspiracy against Jesus Christ and His sheep. The Bible explains it much clearer with more authority,
            “And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
            And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

        • Florence mufwambi
          05 October 2015 @ 8:49 am

          amen sully let that one who want to betray the church of God do it in hasty.we want to go home. tired of this world of sin hasty “behold i come quickly and my reward with me—come lord Jesus Christ.

      • William Noel
        05 October 2015 @ 11:28 am

        Jesus told His followers to go out filled with courage and in the power of the Holy Spirit, the same power that created this world. Since we’re supposed to be so boldly empowered, why are your words filled with so much fear? Why are you so much more confident in what evil the Pope might do instead of the victory God promises to give to all who believe? Does your fear not shout to others that you have a form of godliness but none of the power?

        A soldier who fears the enemy is a danger both to himself and his fellow soldiers because his fear spreads like a contagion. Such long statements as you posted only arouse fear. If times are as urgent as you declare, then is it not time to leave your unbelief behind and instead learn about the power of God so you can begin living in the victory He has promised?

  12. Larry
    25 September 2015 @ 4:22 pm

    To: Sam – my point is that the good side that they are presenting is a front. It does not represent the true nature of “The Beast Power” The Bible tells us that they will be destroyed “Gods decision” for what they have done on earth. That pretty well clinches it for me. There will be an “image” to the Beast in the latter days that will bring in the Sunday Law w/the Papacy pulling the strings in the background. This will be the Protestant churches that are now following the Papacy in keeping Sunday. I will take the real thing “the truth” God’s truth to a false image any day. I’m not relishing the fact that their destruction is imminent – but they have and will take millions and millions to perdition due to their false teaching. The implementation of the Sunday Law is going against God’s true Sabbath. We will all have to make that decision. It is this organization that changed God’s Law. What is it we are looking for here? The whole world will wonder after the beast – lets not tag along. We are here to bring God’s truth to the world, not to follow those who will not accept the truth to perdition. I do not get all the hoopla about trying to sort out the good that they are doing. It is a front – not their true nature.
    Their true nature will be revealed in these last days and they will not be on Gods side.


    • Sully Grand-Jean
      26 September 2015 @ 6:30 pm

      And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.” Revelation 19: 19-21
      We want the Magazine called “Adventist Today” know that we, SDA, our “Holy Father” is in Heaven.
      We worship Jesus only not the Beast, not the mark of the Beast, which is the papal Sunday. We do not make graven images and we do not pray nor adore statues. We cannot join the conspiracy against Jesus and His people. Rev 12:17 & Rev 14:12. We choose to be persecuted because of Christ instead of persecuting Christ’s people. Jesus is so good, we can’t deny Him nor betray Him. He died for our salvation. Crucify us, but we can’t plot against our own Creator. We can’t persecute our own protector. We are sorry; we are not able to unite with the world under the Antichrist and Satan to torture and destroy the life of the children of our God. We are a pacific people; our unique weapon is our Bible. Our hierarchical chief is Jesus. We don’t know any other God nor any other man. We can’t stop loving Jesus. We already knew that we have to carry the cross through the Calvary to reach out heaven. If we refuse the cross, we will surely miss heaven. We can’t afford to miss heaven; we will judge, at the resurrection day, the same judges who condemned us on this earth, our own persecutors, our torturers, and our murderers. See Revelation 20:11-15, “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from…

      • Sully Grand-Jean
        26 September 2015 @ 6:33 pm

        whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
        12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
        13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
        14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
        15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
        Please read also 1 Corinthians 6:3,
        “Don’t you know that we will judge angels, not to mention affairs of everyday life? (Complete Jewish Bible version)
        Why this heterogeneous group of faith called their magazine “Adventist Today”? They answer,
        “The name Adventist Today was selected to convey a journalistic intent, but more importantly to suggest the priority of contemporary Adventist faith.” “History of Adventist Today”
        We do not have a “contemporary Adventist faith. “ The Adventist faith is eternal because it is placed and focus on Jesus and on Jesus Christ only. The magazine is just an Adventist today, but we are Adventist Yesterday, today, tomorrow, for ever and ever, as Jesus was, is, and will be for everlasting to everlasting. God is immutable, yesterday, and eternally. According to Revelation…

        • Sully Grand-Jean
          26 September 2015 @ 6:35 pm

          chapter 14, we have an eternal gospel to proclaim not a contemporary one to adapt to any old and new doctrines to please or flatter celebrities and world leaders.
          You may click on the link below to double check with their site.

          We answer the magazine “Adventist Today” in the name of Jesus, just like David did to defend God’s people against Goliath, for the glory of God, for the salvation of the souls and to clarify the mind of the children of God from any misperception and muddle that the said magazine “Adventist Today” had caused. Finally, the Magazine “Adventist Today” is a tribune of false doctrines that are designed to deceive and shake the faith of many SDA members and defame our holy doctrine to prevent new souls to join. Beware!

          • Cherry
            28 September 2015 @ 12:01 pm

            Sally, I don’t think this is the appropriate venue to preach to those who read Adventist Today. I see someone writing a long wordy message and I skip right over it. I like the information I read in Adventist Today. I am puzzled why you read something you so strongly denounce. Many of the comments some readers are making lately sound very hateful and too similar to some other websites that I refuse to read. I dislike seeing hate speech about something I appreciate.

  13. N/A
    25 September 2015 @ 5:56 pm

    No Chaplin Black at the White House when the President greeted the Pope?

  14. Roger Metzger
    25 September 2015 @ 6:14 pm

    This is an appropriate context in which to urge adventists to consider two things.

    1. Adventist eschatology is predicated on the premise that some (perhaps most) prophecy is conditional. Is it possible for the Ninevites to repent but not possible for adherents of the Roman Church to do so?

    2. There is such a thing as a self-fulfilling prophecy. If enough members of the Seventh-day Adventist organization can be obnoxious enough, is that enough to cause persecution?

    • William Noel
      26 September 2015 @ 6:13 am

      Persecution happens when God’s followers are ministering and teaching with such power that they become a threat to the established power structure. That is why the Jewish leaders pursued Jesus and eventually killed Him. That is why the Roman Catholic church persecuted protestants for centuries. Merely being obnoxious puts you in a class of people who, for the most part, are regarded as the fringe of society and tolerable fools because they are no threat to the mainstream that is in power.

      Currently, Adventists in America are a minor fringe and no significant threat to the political correctness that dominates government. So I do not anticipate there will be any real persecution until we begin discovering the power of the Holy Spirit and our ministries and teaching draw enough attention that they begin causing significant numbers to question and dispute the claims of the powerful.

      • Roger Metzger
        26 September 2015 @ 4:16 pm

        William et al,

        Does anyone know where Dr. Carson stands on the definition of religious liberty?

        There was a time when adventists understood religious liberty to be freedom from coercion with regard to religious beliefs, religious practices and religious prohibitions–not such freedom for ourselves only but for everyone including those with whom we disagree.

        More recently, some members of our denomination have adopted a narrower definition–freedom to worship as we please.

        My guess is that Dr. Carson has not articulated–at least not since he tossed his hat in the ring–the first of those definitions of religious liberty. If he had, he would not be the darling of the religious right as he currently seems to be.

        If or when he shows a reluctance to use civil laws to impose religious prohibitions on the general population, there will be a significant impact on the people who now consider themselves to represent a supposedly moral majority.

        If Dr. Carson gives tacit approval to the use of civil laws to impose religious prohibitions on society, that will constitute a very dangerous precedent–one it will be very difficult for freedom-loving adventists to live down.

        • William Abbott
          30 September 2015 @ 3:56 pm


          You are using the term ‘Civil Law’. That usually means not criminal law. Are you using civil law as a synonym for secular law?

          I’m not following your concerns. Can you give us an example? What exactly might Ben Carson be supporting that would constitute a dangerous precedent?

        • Carolyn Johnson
          02 October 2015 @ 7:29 pm

          Dr. Carson is very anti Muslim/Arab, thus he lacks any insight into the culture of the Middle East or the politics. What kind of diplomat will he made..we are presently at war with seven countries, which I doubt he can even name, along with the other candidates. He and his family have accepted a free trip to Israel,(and have traveled there) thus have been indoctrinated into Zionism, which I feel he will back at the expense of other nations in the Middle East, including the demise of the Palestinian people.

  15. Elaine Nelson
    25 September 2015 @ 8:07 pm

    Shhh, Roger, don’t encourage them. There are already too many hoping the world gets worse; that Sunday Law will be ushered in, as that will mean the very soon arrival of the Second Coming. Some are even hoping for it sooner than later. It’s sick, sick Papal Paranoia.

    • FredShoey
      25 September 2015 @ 10:15 pm

      Good point. Bad enough already when every enforcement of the separation of church and state is claimed to be a religious persecution.

    • Serge Agafonoff
      26 September 2015 @ 4:18 am

      Its also ‘wishful thinking,’ Elaine. If SDAs are ever persecuted for keeping a day of worship, it would be a miracle. The pope may like to see a day less of industry, to reduce carbon emissions by 1/7th, or a day for family time, or similar such, but the idea, in the real world we currently inhabit, that a religious organisation, devoid of any political power, will have the power to ‘persecute’ a minority religion which teaches a slight difference from RC theology on day of church going (they agree in more areas than they differ) is simply ludicrous. When Ellen wrote/compiled Great Contr’y, the world was a vastly different place to now. There will be no going back to her world, let alone the middle ages, any time soon.

      Concentrate on the positive aspect of your spiritual union with Christ my friends, and these papal distractions will mean NOTHING!

    • Cherry
      28 September 2015 @ 12:03 pm

      Elaine, I am puzzled why Jesus coming again soon is ‘sick’ in your opinion?

    25 September 2015 @ 8:43 pm

    JESUS said “Whoever is not against us is for us”. How does, what the pope is doing, fit into that? We may be surprised how many will be on the other side of the “GATE” because of what the pope is doing. I’ll bet the devil hates that thought. I’m going to be there to see, How about you? GOD Bless. g.c.a.

  17. Warren Zork
    25 September 2015 @ 9:38 pm

    When a daughter arranged for us to join a DC-area retirement community over two years ago we encountered a fully non-Adventist group for the first time in our lives. Over one-half are atheist or agnostic, and of the rest fewer than 40 even attend church or synagogue regularly. We have witnessed a traditional SDA life-style to them. To date, these are among the most significant truisms we’ve observed: 1) We all continue on a journey; none of us has yet arrived. 2) All of us immediately respond positively to our recognition of their personal worth. This goes for all employees as well as residents. 3) The Spirit of God is at work with everyone.

    With the above realities observed daily, why is it so difficult for us to believe that the Holy Spirit just might be at work through Pope Francis?

    • William Noel
      26 September 2015 @ 6:15 am

      To make it even more personal, why should I be concerned about what Pope Francis is doing instead of being more concerned about what the Holy Spirit wants to do through me?

    • Roger Metzger
      26 September 2015 @ 3:59 pm

      I am not at all convinced that the present-day pope is taking the Roman Church in a direction opposite of what the pope of Luther’s day was taking it.

      I am willing, to admit, however, that such a thing is not beyond the realm of possibility. To think or say otherwise is to deny a basic premise of adventist eschatology, namely, that prophecy is conditional,

  18. Pete
    25 September 2015 @ 11:32 pm

    And let us remember that whatsoever may be openly working FOR or AGAINST us, may each each be our true enemies, seeking and working hard to lull us into a deep ‘sleep’…

    We need to remember that the road and process leading to the fulfillment of Revelation 13 is but a gradual and ever accelerating process. The conglomeration/uniting of the world is now taking place, a mixture of all in all. Those with a critical processing mind cannot deny this. The ‘politics’ of the world are sinking back into the governance of the Dark Ages/Medieval Times when it was the Pontiff of Rome who controlled the known world. Do we not see in today? Have the the Democrats and Republicans cheered together at this Pope’s Congressional speech of embracing the New World Order??? Read between the lines, and realize. The sunday laws are not yet! The world must be banded together through what may appears as ‘very righteous reasons” before the call back to morality may take place..

  19. Jim Hamstra
    26 September 2015 @ 3:37 am

    “So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.” (cf Jesus Christ)

    This is why I am not afraid of the Pope, the Jesuits, the Jews, the Literati, the Communists, the Atheists, the Evolutionists, or any other real or imagined conspirators.

    And I am truly thankful that to God the Almighty and Merciful, who has the only ultimate DELETE button under His/Her/Their finger, I am worth more than many sparrows. I am worth far more to God than I am to myself.

    • Jim Hamstra
      26 September 2015 @ 3:44 am

      Apologies – I left the Democrats and the Republicans and the Libertarians off my list of conspirators. Though some might view them more as buffoons than as a serious threat, I do not. Fools can strike on a much broader front than the deliberate perpetrators.

      • Bugs-Larry Boshell
        26 September 2015 @ 10:57 am

        Chirp chirp! That’s my way of agreeing, Jim, alluding to my previous post and reference to Jesus statement that birds don’t worry so why should you.

    • Susanne Reiswig
      26 September 2015 @ 12:32 pm

      Jim, you have said it beautifully – to quote Jack Pronosha, “to know about God is important, but to know God is crucial”. That is my goal.

    26 September 2015 @ 8:30 am

    There is hardly anything Pope Francis said this week that I would not heartily endorse. He spoke to the social and global issues of our time,summing the leaders of the world to practice the golden rule, build bridges of understanding, show compassion and care for the poor and for children, eschew war and the arms industry that supports it for money, foster a more equitable distribution of wealth, care for the environment, etc, etc. Who can knock that?

    If the gospel is purely the social gospel, then he represented it at its best.

    But is the gospel purely and simply the social gospel? That is the question. My main concerns are for what he did not say and for what some of the rituals and symbols actually mean. What about trans-substantiation, for example? Does the golden cup and the wafers used in his conduct of the mass still signify that the Pope and his bishops and priests have the ability to convert wine and bread into the actual blood and body of Jesus – that the creature can indeed continually recreate the Creator? What does the constant appeal to a long list of saints (and to Mary) tell us about the key question of death and the soul? Above all, how are we to think about the character of God if it requires such pleading to get his attention and secure acceptance? Is Jesus Christ God’s preeminent representation and the source of salvation, or does the pope and the church still claim this prerogative?

    There’s is more. But it would help if the Pope would…

    • Roger Metzger
      26 September 2015 @ 3:50 pm

      I haven’t tried to confirm this but I read that one congressman who is an adherent of the Roman Church wasn’t present when the pope addressed the United States Congress. His explanation reportedly was that if the pope wanted to act like a left-wing politician, he deserved to be treated as one.

      • Serge Agafonoff
        26 September 2015 @ 5:35 pm

        Exactly, Roger. Francis has far more to worry about from the ultra-orthodox wing of Vatican officials and their followers than he does from a small group of Sabbath-keepers. Francis is far too radical in departing from traditional Catholicism for their taste. Watch this space, if you want the real story of Francis’ pontificate. He is building bridges to the ‘world,’ but burning bridges in his own ‘house.’ One other thing to watch- Francis was roundly criticised for supping with socialist dictators in central and south America, but failing to show support for the victims of those regimes. All is far from rosy in the Vatican garden.

  21. Bugs/Larry Boshell
    26 September 2015 @ 8:57 am

    Whose end-time is it?

    I traveled through childhood fearful of being “persecuted” by the Papacy, knowing it was the price to pay to get Jesus returned. I was depressed on two counts, the prospect of being tortured for Sabbath keeping and the barrier of the advent to the fullness of my life on earth. I eventually abandoned both aspects of that silliness but maintain curiosity as to why Adventists still fixate on it.

    The myth continues in spite of the facts. There has not been and is no Catholic anti-Sabbath cabal. No Adventists sit in jail or are being tortured. I see the Adventist joyful anticipation of being “persecuted” to be a singular display of masochism, self-flagellation unseen elsewhere in Christian circles. What else can it be?

    Adventism is in the lame duck era of its existence since nothing in many decades supports its Catholic fearmongering. But that angst I grew up with lingers wistfully on, demonstrated by Adventists staring unblinkingly at the carnival of Catholicism and the pope’s visit hoping to spot microscopic persecution DNA as evidence of a latent killer mutation-in-waiting.

    Adventism is unimportant on the world stage, an ongoing disappointment attached to the original Great Disappointment. Its phoenix version of failure morphed into embarrassing self-aggrandizement locks it into the spectacle of mindless time wasters who cannot find what can’t be found.

    This is a pageant of self-persecution, external help unneeded.

    • Edwin A. Schwisow
      29 September 2015 @ 5:16 pm

      Historically atheistic regimes have been far firmer in their anti-religious edicts against Sabbath-keepers than the Roman Church. We had many members in Cuba who were cast into prison for refusing to work during Sabbath hours. I suspect things in China today may be similarly difficult for devoted Christians who refuse to dishonor their Lord. Since Vatican II (at least) the Catholic Church has seemed eager to joint-venture with Adventist healthcare and other ventures for the public good, and it has not been unusual for our healthcare leaders to embrace those overtures. It’s been a month of Sundays since I have heard of even one overt hostility between Catholics and Adventists, legislatively or otherwise. It’s been more than 50 years since Vatican II, and the relationship between Adventists and Catholics appears relatively cordial. In our work overseas, Catholic leaders have been commendatory in serious accolades of the good Adventists do through temperance education, preventive health, and quality traditional medicine. Teen and child pregnancy among Catholic children appears to be epidemic in some parts, and political leaders in some parts of South America have turned to Adventists for help in an arena where Adventist youth, at least so far, appear more continent in developing countries.

      We still do face our own members who firmly believe that we must instigate ill will with the Roman Church, so prophecy can be fulfilled. But this does not seem to be in any way universal.

    26 September 2015 @ 9:05 am

    Thank you, Judson Edwards, for pointing out some major heresies inherent in Catholicism, that most current Protestants in political correctness, gloss over and ignore.

    Thank you also Jim Hamstra, for your affirming message of God’s future guidance protection and love.

    That said, I was weaned on the Great Controversy and its anti-Catolicism.

    In my little village in South Africa, was a great walled compound, a convent of Catholic Carmelite nuns, committed to a vow of silence. They never emerged in public except on voting day, when they went to the polls.

    Yes the Catholics, like the Adventists, do try to influence political trends.

    Pope Framcis appears very benign and loving and is an incredible force for changing the image of Catholism. “All the world is wondering after the beast”

    I have it on good authority that the Pope has very close relatives (maybe a sister and others), who are Adventists. also that he is well aware of EGW’s writings and her anti-Catholicism, and her end of world predictions.

    These are frightening times, especially the rise of radical Islam and its barbaric brutality.

    I can easily see where as terrorism mounts world wide, that the Pope could use his influence to curtail this threat, and thereby gain even wider support and adulation.

    This is nightmarishly frightening, so thank you again Jim Hamstra for your scriptural consolations!

  23. Jose
    26 September 2015 @ 1:07 pm

    We are losing track in our Prophecy. Are we following the Lamb of God or the Pope? Why are speakers like Andrew Henriques just obsessed with what the Pope does? Is this the Saving Prophecy? Oooo Pope Ate here, pope spoke there…pope entered there….pope pope pope pope….is his gospel!!! Nothing of his sermons are presenting JESUS CHRIST to the Perishing world. But POPE POPE and POPE…and a continued unbiblical attack of other leaders.
    By the way, WHO IS Andrew Henriques? Which Conference/Church does he serve? Is he really an Adventist or the off-shoots we are dealing with? I’ve heard he is a splinter group leader, is this group known by the church?

    • William Noel
      27 September 2015 @ 2:00 pm


      I agree with your concern about knowing whom we are following. Many in the SDA church are so focused on the Pope and so fearful of what he might do that they are failing to embrace the far greater power of the Holy Spirit. Their fear has made them far more confident of being deceived than victorious.

  24. Julio
    26 September 2015 @ 1:15 pm

    It is true that some people do not understand or confuse things, we must not fear for what the Pope does or does not do, but we must recognize that point in history we live if we study it in the light of the scriptures . It is not to be sensational nor want to frighten people by calling things by their name, on the contrary, we must devote our time to reteach others about Jesus and the gospel of salvation even if it means identifying USA and the pope as the two beasts of Revelation. Current events are the fulfillment of biblical signs and we must not remain silent for fear of being confrontational or controversial, however, as children of God we must move forward and meet the mandate to preach the gospel to the whole world, the whole gospel including the part that states the pope as the Antichrist, as the little horn, as the image of the beast. Do not forget that our Lord taught us that the struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the powers of darkness that use human instruments to carry out his evil plan. The charismatic and ecumenical, who do not want to call the Pope beast, they are accomplices of Satan and deny Christ.

    • Roger Metzger
      26 September 2015 @ 3:39 pm


      It is the papacy as an institution and the traditions that have grown up around it that constitute the first beast of Revelation 13.

      Much harm has been done to the cause of truth by a failure on the part of some to make the appropriate distinction between the papacy as an institution and the person who currently holds the title of “pope”. True Christians love the person while condemning the institution he represents.

      When Luther verbally “attacked” the pope of his day it was because Luther thought that particular pope was leading the institutional church away from Bible truth.

      It is inappropriate to identify the papacy as the first beast of Revelation 13 without showing people the evidence that protestants from the 16th through the 19th century taught that same thing. It isn’t an adventist innovation and it is harmful to represent it as such.

      The prophecy states the the two-horned beast will speak as a dragon, form an image to the first beast, etc. But to say that the two-horned beast has already been thus transformed is to encourage non-adventists to think that adventists aren’t–indeed cannot be–patriots in the sense of trying help solve the problems we have as a society.

      I beg of you, please try to reformulate the WAY you explain these things.

  25. sufferingsunfish
    26 September 2015 @ 1:29 pm

    I wonder whether anyone saw the Online Review article yesterday describing the performance by an SDA organist for one of the masses celebrated by Francis??
    Push-back came soon and as quick as scat the website had disappeared.

    • George Tichy
      26 September 2015 @ 5:25 pm

      Prejudice is alive and well…

    • Edwin A. Schwisow
      29 September 2015 @ 4:21 pm

      Help me out, is it acceptable for an Adventist in good-and-regular standing to attend a service in which people bend the knee and bow the head to onlooking statuary, etc.? Does the Second Angel’s Message forbid us any further liturgical association with the Mother of Harlots?

      When we were missionaries in South America (soon after Vatican II, some time back), our family was occasionally personally invited to attend extraordinarily important Catholic services where (for example) a new district priest leader would be installed as parish leader. The church was the only place in town with a true organ, and we enjoyed hearing the instrument play. But Mom and Dad instructed us never to kneel during the service or bow the head—body language that might be interpreted as worshiping statues of saints gazing down on us from little shelves on the church walls.

      I have not attended a Catholic service for many, many decades. I get a sense that it would be considered far more inappropriate to do so in America than in was back when we were missionaries in South America. Our kids in Adventist comparative religions class attended a number of non-Adventist services for educational purposes, and no harm seems to have been done, nor did I suffer effects from attending the investiture of the parish leader down in Bolivia. It was, however, definitely a strange experience, and the sanctimonious quietude was icy cold for a Protestant…..

  26. sufferingsunfish
    26 September 2015 @ 1:40 pm

    Environmental Concerns:
    “But by far the more persuasive evidence of our impending dragon-speaking is the change in our national character. The level of freedom of religion and freedom of speech and press is falling off a cliff, in part because the college professor do not value it and do not teach their students to value it. We are much less free economically, as business is choked off by constantly mushrooming regulation. The whole point of the “man-made global warming” superstition is that in order to combat carbon emissions, the government has to be invested with totalitarian control, including control of travel, commuting, business and residential architecture, energy, home energy use, and basically every significant business or human activity.”

    • Edwin A. Schwisow
      29 September 2015 @ 4:55 pm

      As Republicans and great admirers of Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower (all of whom favored preservation of the environment) I have been disappointed by the GOP’s intransigent insistence that the science for climate change is spurious, and that the whole projection of warming and glacier-melt is some kind of a conspiracy to deprive us of our natural liberties as Americans. My late father, a fourth-generation Adventist, carefully supported financially organizations such as the Sierra Club, only to discover since Ronald Reagan’s presidency that concerns about the environment are suddenly treacherously Democratic in today’s world.

      As Christians who believe firmly in the authority and greatness of a Creator God, certainly there must be a passage in Scripture that clearly denies any possibility of climate change in the world. But I seem unable to find it. Surely there’s a study out there that denies such a possibility, for some many seem to disbelieve in climate change as an article of quasi-religious faith.

  27. earl calahan
    26 September 2015 @ 4:15 pm

    If Revelation is not significant to Christians, there is no GOD. It was composed prior to most of the abuses of the Roman Church, and will repeat it’s reign of terror once it is given permission by the “New World Order”, by the United Nations. The world is being lulled to sleep as it wonders after the beast power. The Godless holding hands with the papacy, is a reality just beginning, being inaugurated this week; the vehicle being “GLOBAL WARMING”.
    A wolf in sheep’s clothing is accepting the approbation of all the world bwo the Global Information system. Once a Jesuit, always a Jesuit, certainly not one having acquired the title of PAPA to all Catholics, as well as the adoration of many SDA’s. Folks, the SDA GC PRES. could learn a lesson in humanities from this POPE, in how to win friends and influence people, the rank and file membership, rather than hide in his Ivory Tower, hoping the noise will go away. It won’t, until he asserts a spirited leadership, which of course he doesn’t have. This
    declaration by the Scandinavians is further proof of the SDA hierarchy’s ineptness, by not anticipating this movement, of which they haven’t an answer, or a clue.

  28. Daniel
    26 September 2015 @ 7:02 pm

    Fear not the things which are going on outside, but inside!

    How does knowing any of this make us better Christians?

    It’s nothing but replications of Prophecy, to turn the attention and focus of Christians from the true and the real purpose of Bible Prophecy.

  29. Bugs/Larry Boshell
    27 September 2015 @ 7:37 am

    Please read carefully, I am making this up and it isn’t for real. This came to me first hand as I sat with my Catholic wife at the St. George Catholic Church, Tuscan parish, Apache Junction, AZ, September 26, 2015

    A secret missive from Pope Francis was released today to worldwide Catholic Churches.

    ” After five years of careful study by a secret Vatican committee, it has been determined that Seventh-day Adventists represent a growing challenge and threat to a peaceful world, therefore, it is necessary for the Holy See in Rome to advance proposed laws to every nation to outlaw their existence in order to maintain established Christian values. In particular their day of worship is not in keeping with Christian doctrine and is to be forbidden no later than January 1, 2016.

    Violators will be given one chance to recant, whereupon tracking devices will be attached to their ankles to verify their weekly attendance at Catholic services. Law breakers will be prosecuted to the full extent of newly established laws, including forfeiture of prophecy and imprisonment. Minors will be removed to appropriate retraining centers for belief adjustments. The Holy See, with the short time of enactment in view, has prepared a document, Laws to be Enacted Without Delay, that has been transmitted to every government on earth. A second document, Catholic Punishments to Governments Who Delay Laws, will be transmitted next week. Family well being is our only goal.”

  30. Rich Pendleton
    27 September 2015 @ 7:57 am

    Was Martin Luther scared when he spoke up against the abuses of the Pope in his day?
    Was John Hus scared when he spoke up his the false doctrine of Pope in his day?
    Was John Wycliffe scared when he spoke up against the heresies of Catholic teachings of the Pope?
    We have been given the duty by God to be watchmen and proclaim the three Angels messages and prepare a people for the appearing of Christ! 30% of Bible is prophecy but yet in our pulpits we preach smooth teachings. Yes we need to preach the love of God and that can be done through prophecy!
    “And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Son of man, speak to the sons of your people and say to them, ‘If I bring a sword upon a land, and the people of the land take one man from among them and make him their watchman, and he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows on the trumpet and warns the people, then he who hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, and a sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning; his blood will be on himself. But had he taken warning, he would have delivered his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman’s hand.’ “Now as for you, son of man, I have appointed you a watchman for the house of…

  31. Bill Garber
    27 September 2015 @ 8:34 am

    Since we are all imagining …

    The Three Angels’ Message, when simply read as translated, is a message of freedom from the fear to which Babylon is home.

    Babylon, though, is not a political power, but rather the testimony of the impotence of political power to soothe such fear.

    Indeed, the antidote to the inherent human confusion of which Babylon (beginning with Genesis 11) is the perpetual biblical metaphor is the clarity (“with a loud voice”) of the (Revelation 14) proclamation of the Gospel by the First Angel, and the practical promise of peace in the embrace of the Gospel in everyday life to which the Third Angel appeals.

    For Seventh-day Adventists today, it seems telling that after 40 years of doubling down on the confusion of self-righteousness inherent in misvaluing the Law, Ellen White in responding to the then growing Gospel in the church after the 1888 General Conference sensed the Third Angel’s message as the practical promise of peace that is “Justification by Faith in verity.”

    Dare one ask in confession whether it is heresy to consider the impotence of Seventh-day Adventism in so much of the world today to be accounted for by our continued succumbing to religio-political fantasies at the expense of the Gospel of peace, and if so to then ask whether Seventh-day Adventism is not itself mired in Babylon awaiting the Three Angels’ Message rather than testifying to its freedom?

    • Bugs/Larry Boshell
      27 September 2015 @ 10:21 am

      Bill, the “impotence of Adventism” is an inadvertent result of a path it historically chose, to live in a sound-proof chamber where its teachings are shared and parroted only by insiders. Three Angels Messages, the Heavenly Sanctuary, Investigative Judgment are just a small sample of the shibboleths, medicine for the world, that have no takers on the outside. Those doctrines were never intended for the ears of “outsiders,” but for the mapping strategy of God’s personally appointed operators of the last days.

      When now offered to diverse audiences there is no effective continuing interest in these strange teachings. By its egoistic insider language listeners see through the guise of Christian Gospel emphasis and identify it as another odd-ball religion on the lower rung level of Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses.

      Adventism has achieved this position by its own design. Early Adventism deemed itself a potent actor central to an end time narrative. It never dreamed Jesus wouldn’t return and its continued wolf-wolf cries would become lonely sad songs echoing in a graveyard of dead dreams. That’s the source of impotency. It developed when Jesus failed to meet expectations.

      • Bill Garbet
        27 September 2015 @ 8:58 pm


        You are insightful. And how embarrassing to be nearly ignored by The Catholic Church in Anerica. Check out

        One little tract confirming Seventh-day Adventists as Christian but separated from the True church Christ founded thereby being tossed about by the winds of doctrine. The tract covers the Great Controversy and the featured role of Catholics in it as well as the the Sabbath and the mark of the beast … and brushes it all aside as windy doctrine.

        Meanwhile JWs warrant 7 tracts and Mormons 5!

        • Bugs/Larry Boshell
          28 September 2015 @ 9:02 am

          That’s an impressive compendium of Catholic apologetics! And, it seems, pretty accurate as far as SDA’s go.

          This paragraph, absolutely true, I have written previously in my own words:

          “Seventh-day Adventism cannot change its views on the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon without admitting that it was wrong on Sunday worship. It cannot admit that Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast without changing its views on the Jewish Sabbath. Seventh-day Adventism cannot cease to be anti-Catholic without ceasing to be Seventh-day Adventism.” –

          An apologetic document represents more of a footnote than “notice.” Particularly when the elephant is speaking of mice, size the consideration, amusement, not threat is the underlying theme.

          The defunct grand scheme of the end time has left Adventism a joke (undetected by true believers). Catholicism has over a billion adherents, Adventism has a measly few. It has irreversibly painted itself in an inescapable corner and there is no chance the Catholic church will rescue it from obscurity by “persecuting” it. Ever.

          Bill, thanks for the link. I hadn’t seen that article before.

          • Bill Sorensen
            28 September 2015 @ 2:25 pm

            “Adventism has a measly few.”

            And only a “measly few” will be saved.

          • Bill Garber
            28 September 2015 @ 4:05 pm

            Bill S,

            Christians all are grafted into Abraham’s family the NT proclaims and the promise is that Abraham’s children define the children of God and that they will outnumber the sands of the sea. And the sea of glass is said to hold more than can be counted. I’m missing where it says but a few will be saved. While there is a time incredibly few have experienced the Kingdom of God Jesus declared already present, indeed there are none it seems, that is a momentary description, a temporary time; the time of Babylon in Revelation 14 comes to mind.

            God created the World, redeemed the World, and will save the World. Nowhere does scripture proclaim but a few in the end, does it? I’m thinking the whole history of the World will be our neighbors.

          • Bugs/Larry Boshell
            28 September 2015 @ 9:14 pm

            Bill, your heaven will be lonely place since only a “few,” will get there. But there will “wagon room” room for you to revel in your pride (or good luck) that you and a few others who luckily lived at the right moment, was a the right place at the right time, heard the right message and were deemed good enough. You will have won a salvation crap shoot. God’s casino with poor “souls” as the chips, will be a lovely place!

            Your pipe dream of heaven is your mental creation and is fine with me. I do find it curious that that idealized place seems to be modeled on earth and its inhabitants, on a grander scale, of course, with time being what it is here. Won’t that be pretty boring forever and ever and ever? That space isn’t habitable by humans doesn’t seem to matter.

            Your version of heaven has no attraction for me, so I have no desire to go there, even if a penthouse was offered. I can joyfully settle for the “heaven” of love experienced in my life as an experience of being as close to heaven as it can be. “God” is here full time and always has been according to JC.

            The dead know nothing, so they won’t care about missing out on your hangout at the heavenly Las Vegas.

        • Bill Garber
          28 September 2015 @ 3:53 pm

          I’m a little more optimistic, Buggs. While the tract author insightfully senses that anti-Catholicism remains a shibboleth for Seventh-day Adventism orthodoxy, we have repeatedly escaped heresy as a church. Escape is neither impossible or without precedent.

          Truth is that Sabbath is a vastly more compelling metaphor from which to embrace the Gospel than is Sunday. While we will certainly have to move beyond Sabbath worship, we do well to worship on Sabbath still. It helps to keep in mind that worshiping on Sunday is quite different than Sunday worship. We worship God the Creator, the Redeemer, and the returning at once Son of God and Son of Man who will claim as his own the World and its history in full.

          The bigger challenge it seems these days is to answer in the affirmative that God does not need a spec of our participation in order to save us for eternity. That truth is what does in Babylon and what describes the difference between the patient saints and the trudging remnant of Babylon it feels like to me.

  32. Patrick G
    27 September 2015 @ 8:54 am

    I would humbly caution those who are so focused on finding prophecy in the Pope and Catholicism to guard your hearts.

    Having an enemy to fear and, yes, hate can lead one away from Jesus. We focus on the sins (or potential sins) of the “other” and not on the continual repentance and sorrow for our own sins that should occur. From God’s perspective, are the sins of the beast worse than our sins?


    • Bugs/Larry Boshell
      27 September 2015 @ 9:21 am

      Patrick, good point. Christ had some cogent advice about sinners casting stones at others. I think the papal fixation has more to do with the necessity for Adventists to have a bogeyman. It is an enjoyment based on being “right” in regard to prophecy. Straw man is another applicable term. An imagined threat in the absence of a real one conveniently feeds the myth. Hope, however distorted, is the satisfaction.

  33. Rich Pendleton
    27 September 2015 @ 10:01 am

    I wonder what some of you that have more interest in being politically correct than standing for truth would accept some of Jesus’ radical teachings:
    “For I came to set a man against his father , and a daughter against her mother , and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law ; and a man ‘ s enemies will be the members of his household “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. and a man ‘ s enemies will be the members of his household “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I…

  34. Nathaniel Moore
    27 September 2015 @ 12:11 pm

    Larry said on Sept 26 at 11:25,” Everything about that religion is a disaster”
    This comment is too sweeping and merely emotional. If you are referring to the teaching and attitude of the Roman Catholic church,you may well say the same of the SDA church. If that church has some teachings that you do not like, take note that the SDA church teach some of the same doctrines. Both churches teach a lot in common. There are careless leaders in both churches, and devoted leaders in both. In my view, if one is a disaster, the other is also a total disaster.
    The SDA church has stopped studying the bible with a view to updating and refining its doctrines. How else do you account for our church still having as a doctrine the Roman Catholic belief of a Holy Trinity? My bible teaches about Jesus, the son of God. Never about Jesus, God the son. It teaches me about the spirit of God – never about God the spirit. My Bible teaches me that there is one God – not about a trinity of gods; but my church follows the Roman Catholics with this non-Biblical thing of a Holy trinity.
    The SDA church regards women in the church just as the Catholics do – second class people, or the property of men. We are trying and dying to give the impression that only the Adventists have the truth, and are able to teach the truth; but people like Pope Francis and other religious leaders of today are constantly embarassing us as we live and labour in self deception.

  35. Serge Agafonoff
    27 September 2015 @ 3:56 pm

    I see from reports that Francis has made his visit to Philadelphia without any Great Controversy ensuing? Yea, without any controversy at all, it would seem.

  36. earl calahan
    27 September 2015 @ 9:32 pm

    Man is incapable of informing the world of Jesus Christ.The godless voices are creating to much noise and interference, drowning out the small pathetic Christian activity. All who will hear of the saving grace of Jesus Christ is almost complete. GOD, HIMSELF, is in command of the finishing works, to wrap up this phase of Earth’s history. Look for great massive physical eye catching events beginning before year end. The super natural harmonic waves of happenings will make Sodom and Gomorrah seem as a Sunday picnic. The wickedness of mankind in licentious lifestyles are as in pre-flood human degradation. The Entertainment activity is openly inviting the Evil god to make an appearance so they can openly worship the beast. GOD is grieved and will respond with tribulation as prophesied. GOD will not be mocked. Prepare your family, friends, fellow members, and all you meet to prepare to meet GOD.

  37. Paddy B
    27 September 2015 @ 11:31 pm

    It should be noted that Pastor Andrew Henriques’ Saved to Serve is not a splinter group, but a self supporting independent ministry. He’s not perfect or correct on every point, but he is passionate about sharing the gospel to a dying world. He should be supported as such!

  38. mageto
    28 September 2015 @ 2:45 am

    Knowing this things is not to instill fear in us but to lets us know that the time is near. If truly we love Jesus Christ then no fear should be in us. Jesus overcame the world on our behalf therefore live not in fear

    • William Noel
      28 September 2015 @ 2:50 am

      We are fearful when we are not empowered with the Holy Spirit. Many in the church confuse having and debating information about prophecy with actually knowing God and being connected with Him when they are powerless and deceived into thinking they are true followers of God.

  39. ohmymymy
    28 September 2015 @ 7:51 am

    I would say, why ll the Catholic Church and Pope Francis are caring for the poor, sharing with them talking with them, investing in school and Hospitals. SDA are waisting there time bashing him.
    I personaly think the RCC is showing more fruit than the SDA on here. Who is actually doing Gods work???

    • Daniel
      28 September 2015 @ 1:15 pm

      “I would say, why ll the Catholic Church and Pope Francis are caring for the poor, sharing with them talking with them, investing in school and Hospitals.”
      Is your statement a question? Because you answered it yourself: “investing”. No one “invests” without expecting a return. Both the Catholic church and the SDA church are heavily investing in schools and hospitals, collages, you name it, for the purpose of reaping huge profits.

      Also, how is the Pope “caring for the poor”? Hugging them? Speaking words of consolation? Words are cheap! None of it helps the poor and oppressed.

  40. Sam Geli
    28 September 2015 @ 1:10 pm

    From Havana to Philadelphia, the pope has preached a pastor’s message of forgiveness and mercy. He encouraged Catholics above all to open their hearts to immigrants, whose culture, the pontiff said, was a gift that would renew the US. Pope Francis often spoke off-the-cuff and made it a priority to meet schoolchildren and people living with a disability. He went to the margins, spending time in a prison and in underprivileged neighborhoods of New York City. The pontiff was bored only during the official events and soaring liturgies, renewing himself by coming into contact with ordinary Cubans and Americans.
    In all, it was an atypical tour for a world leader. The first fruits of Francis’s pilgrimage – aside from the possibility of rapprochement in Cuba and Colombia – will likely happen out of the public eye, in the quiet interior lives of those individuals who saw him speak, and the families and communities he toured.
    Pope Francis leaves behind strong statements on immigration, climate, family

    His tour marked several firsts for the papacy: Francis was the first pope to address a joint sitting of US Congress. He also proclaimed Junipero Serra, a controversial 18th Spaniard who conducted missionary work in California, a saint in the first canonization to occur on US soil. From Havana to Philadelphia, the pope has preached a pastor’s message of forgiveness and mercy. He met persons at the point of their needs. For all these things he is to be commended.

    • Daniel
      28 September 2015 @ 1:24 pm


      “For all these things he is to be commended.” What great work this man is doing, together with all the great work the SDA church is doing. Only don’t expect any financial help from either; it is considered, as far as they are concerned, anathema.

    • Bugs/Larry Boshell
      28 September 2015 @ 1:31 pm

      Is it correct the Catholics are considering borrowing Ellen White as an honorary saint, a role she is already pre-qualified for as an Adventist saint? I am very skeptical of this rumor and am beginning to think not exactly everything on the Internet is true!

      • Daniel
        28 September 2015 @ 2:48 pm

        Some would regard that a good idea. Incorporating EGW works with theirs would complete the ultimate doctrine of “confusion”.

        Larry, you come up with some spectacular questions.

      • William Abbott
        30 September 2015 @ 3:41 pm


        Didn’t you have a post up about ‘birds of a feather” About Adventist and Catholics being very similar? I came inside to comment on it after reading it on my cell phone — and its gone.

        Can you repost? I disagree with some of the things you said about Jesus Christ

        • Bugs/Larry Boshell
          05 October 2015 @ 1:05 pm

          Birds of a Feather

          Catholicism and Adventism share the same negation of Christ’s teachings. Why? Because that’s what institutions do. They can’t help themselves. Codifying their raison D’ etre requires a massive structure of doctrines that have nothing to do with Christ’s teachings. Catholics venerate Mary, Adventists venerate Ellen (a Prophet). Catholics claim the magic of transubstantiation, Adventists the magic of the “prophecies.”

          These several samples are symbolic of the type of massive theological structures religious institutions construct as evidence of their viability. Energies are consumed with manufactured apologies. The end result is multiple books, theologies, doctrines, all of which claim a source in Christ, but are nothing more than lip service, a ruse, for the purpose of institutional self-aggrandizement.

          Christs teachings are very simple. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love each other as I have loved you. To adhere to his basic principles is so simple there would be no purpose of church institutions, except possibly for social reasons. Churches would have no device for claiming superiority or correctness. His teachings don’t need a “church.” He never promoted such a thing, had no codification interests, didn’t advance a “systematic” theology.

          In two thousand years Christianity has morphed into a Babylon of egoistic babble, a fortress for theologicrats, a nightmare for seekers of wisdom. No wonder church rolls are diminishing.

          • Bugs/Larry Boshell
            05 October 2015 @ 1:43 pm

            My suggestion is not that the faiths are dogmatically similar (debatable, but another topic) but that the brutal treatment suffered by core Christianity is an unavoidable outcome of being embedded in institutional, corporate, structures where self-preservation interests are primary.

  41. juan d bautista
    29 September 2015 @ 7:03 am

    I cant believe that a seventh day Adventist wrote that article. I cant believe that seventh day Adventist are the ones commenting in favor of rome. I now understand why Ellen white wrote that the greatest prosecutors of the people of God will be from their own people or members of their sda. You call yourselves Christians and You are judging pastor bohr who i believe is a great man of God. Tell me what have you done for Gods people. How many have come to know Christ through you? Lets call things by their names . the vatican is the beast od revelation 13. I will pay 100k dollars of my own money to whoever could prove that to be wrong.

    • ohmymymy
      29 September 2015 @ 9:05 am

      Colossians 2: 16 -17

      16 Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath.[h] 17 These are shadows of things to come; the reality belongs to Christ.

      I say again. It is best to stop Judging others and making false claims. Focus on your salvation. Heal the sick, tend to the poor.

      With regard to the previous juan d bautista wrote i give you Matthew 12: 33- 37

      33 “Either declare[w] the tree good and its fruit is good, or declare the tree rotten and its fruit is rotten, for a tree is known by its fruit. 34 [x]You brood of vipers, how can you say good things when you are evil? For from the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good person brings forth good out of a store of goodness, but an evil person brings forth evil out of a store of evil. 36 [y]I tell you, on the day of judgment people will render an account for every careless word they speak. 37 By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

      Be carefull to judge brothers and sisters.

      • Edwin A. Schwisow
        29 September 2015 @ 10:35 am

        In older times the big town of Ninevah was spared, despite the clear call for its destruction by a prophet of God. Food for thought, in the matter of judging, can we say for sure that the Pope and his people cannot and will not repent of their old, beastly ways? Cannot God repent as the Pope repents and his people fall humbly before the Lord in obeisance?

    • Daniel
      29 September 2015 @ 3:21 pm


      “Lets call things by their names . the vatican is the beast of revelation 13. I will pay 100k dollars of my own money to whoever could prove that to be wrong.”

      You first have to prove that the Vatican is the beast of Rev.13. Without extra-biblical sources, I doubt you will.

    • Edwin A. Schwisow
      29 September 2015 @ 5:40 pm

      These are good questions, and it’s sad to hear that members of the Adventist Church are treating one another with judgmental behavior and speaking out against our pastor in Fresno, California. I was not aware that anything of the sort was happening. I do know that Pastor Bohr preaches very fervently on topics dear to his heart, but no one I know has judged him as somehow undeserving of his calling or ministry. There may be some who disagree with him, but “judging” him goes a step beyond simply disagreeing with another brother or sister. We need to be careful how we use words to describe one another; I realize that on the campaign trail right now its fashionable to disregard “politically correct” diplomacy and just let ‘er rip. Ellen White long ago taught us to be loving and kind to one another, especially in areas of disagreement, for ultimately our points of view will in part be judged by the spirit in which we pronounce them.

  42. Jean
    29 September 2015 @ 11:21 am

    The church always always goes with fear mongering. There always has to be some conspiracy and quoting from the Bible and EGWhite to prove the “rightness” of the church. Personally, I think that the way some Adventists have to be apart from everything “worldly” is because they want a reason to be anti-social and anti anything that would question the old Adventist status quo of hating anything to do with the Catholic church (or any other church.). I guess it’s easier to point the finger outwardly than to look within or to actually think.

    • Daniel
      29 September 2015 @ 3:12 pm


      “I guess it’s easier to point the finger outwardly than to look within or to actually think.”

      Totally agree with you.

  43. Sam Geli
    29 September 2015 @ 4:43 pm

    Francis was the first pope to address a joint sitting of US Congress. He also proclaimed Junipero Serra, a controversial 18th Spaniard who conducted missionary work in California, a saint in the first canonization to occur on US soil. President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon received the pontiff warmly during his official duties. Speaker John Boehner, moved to tears during the pope’s address to congress, resigned soon afterwards. Francis was received with adulation among ordinary Americans, who gathered to cheer in several popemobile-led parades. The Hispanic community, prisoners, undocumented workers and other marginalized groups were given special attention by the pontiff, as were children and Americans with disabilities. Much-anticipated statements on climate change and immigration were well-received. The pope met victims of child abuse in Philadelphia and pledged to bring clerics who committed abuse to justice.
    Ted Wilson says: “There is no other place to go…”
    “Whatever decisions are taken, even though they may not be to your liking, there is no other place to go. This is God’s remnant church. If you don’t believe that, then you have, in your own mind, another recourse. But I don’t read anywhere in Scripture or in the Spirit of Prophecy that there will be another remnant of the remnant.”
    (Editor Bill Knott talks with Reelected president Ted N. C. Wilson-Monday, 31 August 2015 16:50-Adventist World Magazine)

    • Daniel
      29 September 2015 @ 5:04 pm


      “This is God’s remnant church. If you don’t believe that, then you have, in your own mind, another recourse. But I don’t read anywhere in Scripture or in the Spirit of Prophecy that there will be another remnant of the remnant.”

      My understanding of the “remnant”, as I read in Scripture, refers to Israel: Rom. 9:27; 11:1-10. Judah, who gave birth to the “male Child” is also referred to as having “off-spring” and not, as some Bible translations read: “Remnant” (Rev.12:17). So, according to Scripture, there is no reference to any church as being the “remnant church”.

  44. Elaine Nelson
    29 September 2015 @ 7:30 pm

    God has never limited any denomination as the “remnant.”

    If you believe this, it follows that only Seventh-day Adventists will be in heaven. But Revelation writes that the saved will be innumerable. “S’plain” that.

    • Daniel
      29 September 2015 @ 8:49 pm


      Well stated.

      So, unless the SDA church members change their perception and include themselves among the “innumerable”, as mentioned in Rev.7:9-17, one would imagine there might only be a “remnant” saved, that is, of those who belong to the SDA church.

  45. Larry
    01 October 2015 @ 12:21 pm

    Don’t put too much on weight on Boehner crying when with the pope, he cries when his tea is not warm enough. (just kidding) There is so much deception in that the Pope, priests, etc. are leading people to a false sense of security by thinking these “humans” can actually forgive their sins. How many people will be lost because of this? God is a loving God and will forgive those that are living up to the truth they know, but when you start from a (many) false premises, what is it they are trying to live up to? SAD !

  46. ohmymymy
    02 October 2015 @ 8:46 pm

    I believe from the very beginning Jesus has given the His followers (the Church) authority to forgive sins in his name.

    John 20: 19-23 says

    19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the doors were locked, where the disciples[l] were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side.[m] The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. 21 [n][Jesus] said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” 22 [o]And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. 23 [p]Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

    in James 5: 14-16 further is written

    Is anyone among you sick?[f] He should summon the presbyters(Leaders) of the church, and they should pray over him and anoint [him] with oil in the name of the Lord, 15 and the prayer of faith will save the sick person, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed any sins, he will be forgiven.[g]

    16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful. .

    The bible is clear that Jesus sent his followers into the world to forgive the sins of the people. James tells us to confess our sins to one another its not limited to the priests. Thus he ensures us by each others prayers our sins be…

  47. ohmymymy
    02 October 2015 @ 8:49 pm

    James tells us to confess our sins to one another its not limited to the priests. Thus he ensures us by each others prayers our sins be forgiven

  48. jerry
    21 October 2015 @ 1:45 pm

    wow, it’s hard to believe what Adventist are doing today for they, instead of warning the people about the antichrist pope they are joining hands and helping him out by not protesting. The SDA church once leaders of pope bashing are now following the antichrist, to hell just as prophecy predicted. SDA’s are now worshiping the antichrist beast the pope. WOW!

    • Daniel
      21 October 2015 @ 2:07 pm


      You wrote: “instead of warning the people about the antichrist pope they are joining hands and helping him out by not protesting.”

      I would rather God warn me of any “anti-christ” characteristics within my own heart, so that I could repent, turn to Jesus Christ my Lord; through Whom God would then forgive and heal my heart, unto Salvation.

      What do you think?


  49. Griffiths
    22 November 2015 @ 7:07 am

    Dear adventists, it’s about time we admitted the truth that we are living in the last days of the last days.We also need to admitt that Pope Francis to befriend adventists but to carry out his master’s (satan)plan which is to destroy us.I feel sorry for all adventists who haven’t realised that.


    • Ervin Taylor
      28 November 2015 @ 9:37 am

      The individuals I think we need to feel sorry for are those 21st Century Adventists who are stuck inside a time warp where their theological perspective is governed by a 19th century conservative Protestantism on which was grafted the limited theological perspective of a charismatic visionary and those inspired by her. To suggest that the current Pope is carrying out Satan’s plan is beneath contempt.

  50. Elaine Nelson
    22 November 2015 @ 10:32 am

    Adventist were born out of fear: fear of the Second Coming and judgment would find them not ready. Fear of National Sunday Laws for over 100 years. Now it’s the fear of terrorists and what the papacy is plotting to do against Sabbath observers.

    There will always be a new threat when looking for one. How does that encourage people to join a church unless they are also convinced of fears and must “get ready” for the trouble that’s just around the corner (as it has been for more than 150 years and counting)?

  51. David Sang'anyi
    28 November 2015 @ 9:26 am

    Adventists should be focused in spreading the gospel of Jesus despite the threat of the fulfillment of Ellen G White prophesy.The prophesy is unfolding in our own eyes and events.God has promised to take care of his people during this difficult times.There is no need to panic.

  52. Nathaniel Moore
    28 November 2015 @ 12:22 pm

    It is high time for our SDA preachers to stop scaring their members with visions of beasts and plagues. Lots of what they frighten the people with is mere speculation. Indeed we have a “more sure word of prophecy” in the bible; but what we are getting from these fear mongers is not necessarily sure-it is speculation. Their so-called interpretation is mere guess work; and people have no reason to harbour any fear complex from what they teach about the papacy and those beasts. Over the years the church in different places suffer because of the intolerance and fear of church and civil authorities, and that is to be expected; but the church is promised protection and salvation by God.
    The problem is that although we boast about being God’s church, and God’s people, we do not sincerely believe in God’s intervention on behalf of His people. Putting it another way, we are not sure that we are His people, so we are not sure that the promises refer to us. If we are sure, then why are we so mortally fearful of every intervention of the pope in different parts of the world? I believe the pope is doing what he thinks he ought to do as a world figure, without negative thoughts toward adventists. Adventist must do what they think is their duty to God and to their fellowmen without thought for, or fear of the pope, and what he thinks is his mission.

    • Christopher Olds
      04 December 2015 @ 3:16 am

      Division in the church, we are told of this. So happy with our earthly live.yet we have studied for years waiting on prophesy to be fulfilled. And just like it’s said some would forget. Sad I’ll pray for you all.

  53. Rob
    27 April 2016 @ 5:57 am

    “The Roman Church now presents a fair front to the world, covering with apologies her record of horrible cruelties. She has clothed herself in Christlike garments; but she is unchanged. Every principle of the papacy that existed in past ages exists today. The doctrines devised in the darkest ages are still held. Let none deceive themselves. The papacy that Protestants are now so ready to honor is the same that ruled the world in the days of the Reformation, when men of God stood up, at the peril of their lives, to expose her iniquity. She possesses the same pride and arrogant assumption that lorded it over kings and princes, and claimed the prerogatives of God. Her spirit is no less cruel and despotic now than when she crushed out human liberty and slew the saints of the Most High.” — The Great Controversy, Ellen White , p. 571

    • William Noel
      27 April 2016 @ 6:11 am


      OK, how do you propose that we demonstrate the love and power of God to Catholics so they will be attracted away from their papal allegiance? Mailing them a book and showing them Ellen White quotes about the pope just insults a person who love the pope and makes them resist whatever message you want to share. Do you love God so much that they will see Him working in you and be attracted to fall in love with God more than the pope?

      • Mike
        27 April 2016 @ 9:28 am

        I agree. Instead of mailing them send them to churches and have them sit on the streets and hand them out. You can’t effectively reach people from sitting in the pews every Sabbath. The biggest issue I see with getting the church to grow is we want everyone to come us and we don’t want to get out into the world to reach them.

  54. earl calahan
    27 April 2016 @ 10:35 am

    It isn’t necessary to woo Catholics away from their first calling. There will be millions of them in the heavenly courts. Don’t be so quick to accept the Jesuit priest as a bona fide Reformer. “Can a Leopard change it’s spots”, not this Leopard. Watch closely the workings of the United Nations, for the next 5 years, and the action of the Pope in his
    actions. Also, watch very closely the actions of the POTUS of the United States. He is visiting everywhere, soliciting the approval of mighty people in high places. He is unusually close to Pope Francis. Consider the vulnerability of Donald Trump, as he seeks to interrupt the continued “old boy’s corruption club”. Should he become the Repub. nominee, an errant missile maybe the method of solving the combined Repub/Demo enemy. Any power, which could cause the Twin Towers to collapse, straight down, in a controlled fall, will have no problem removing the burr under their saddle. Perhaps, however, there will be no Presidential election in Nov/206, as under the pretext of a National threat, the Potus declares Martial Law, of which the Congress has given him the Authority. He is in the running for the Secretary General of the United Nations, and then, watch out, tribulation will soon follow.

    • Elaine Nelson
      27 April 2016 @ 11:36 am

      We should wish that the G.C. president would affirm some of Pope Francis’ statements. He is far more compassionate and understanding than most any popes of the past.

      As for Jesuits, the fear is totally unfounded. As a graduate of a very fine Jesuit university I can assure you that they are in the forefront of social justice throughout the world; something in which Adventists are far behind, particularly for many even within their own membership.

      • William Abbott
        27 April 2016 @ 4:21 pm

        I should have suspected something Jesuitical. Sometimes the Jesuits get so Jesuitically far out in front on ‘social justice’ they get suppressed, even banned. Even the Catholics don’t know what to do with them. They are a political/religious order. Why am I not surprised you are a fan.

      • Elaine Nelson
        27 April 2016 @ 7:30 pm

        Anti-Catholicism, especially directed toward Jesuits is built into the Adventist DNA through regular infusions of EGW. It cannot be found in the Bible, but is a very “unique” interpretation not found in other religions. It is dated to the contemporary American sentiment at the time. But is way past its
        prime and only held by SOME, but not all Adventists who cling to White even more than the Bible.

        How has it fostered spread of the Gospel?

        • William Abbott
          27 April 2016 @ 10:05 pm

          It was the pope that banned them in 1773. That’s way before W Miller time. Seriously, the Jesuits were a bigger problem for the Catholic church than the Adventists ever were. I’ll bet there are a couple Cardinals wishing they had voted differently. Bergoglio is really stirring up the Catholics with his clericalism.

    • cfowler
      27 April 2016 @ 3:00 pm

      Earl said, “Any power which could cause the Twin Towers to collapse straight down, in a controlled fall…”

      Well, lets not forget Building 7. And where were the planes at the Pentagon and in Shanksville?

      I know, we’re just conspiracy theorists.

  55. earl calahan
    27 April 2016 @ 10:40 am

    “the mills of the gods grind exceedingly slow. but, exceedingly fine”.

  56. Ervin Taylor
    27 April 2016 @ 12:24 pm

    I see that Mr. Calahan continues to provide the rest of us with entertaining conspiracy theories. Or perhaps Mr. Calahan is showing how silly such conspiracy theories are by talking about cancelling the next presidential election, etc., etc. Excellent joke. We all need humor from time to time.

    • Elaine Nelson
      27 April 2016 @ 7:36 pm

      Is there something in the Adventist psyche of some that “sees” conspiracy all around them? Is this inherited or acquired? To “see” conspiracy in every incident that appears unusual and difficult to explain, it is the fall back position; the need to offer explanations of government planning rather than seeing the true culprits.

      That is the freedom of speech so prized, but believing all speech is less a sign of freedom than offering and accepting easy (and wrong) answers.

  57. ND
    13 May 2016 @ 2:36 am

    The church leadership should be careful not to be too alarmist in the manner they preach the gospel! Too much focus and preoccupation with the movements of the pope and other non-Sabbath keeping groups, might cause the SDA to lose focus on the real issue, i.e. evangelism and preparing members for he coming kingdom of God. The church can’t stop those movements and developments, otherwise prophecy can’t be fulfilled.
    It also risks misinterpreting Bible prophecy in respect of events that precede the coming of the Messiah.

    Instead of living in constant fear, members should be rejoicing that God is true to His Word.


    • William Noel
      13 May 2016 @ 5:38 am


      What is your concept of “evangelism?” Do you see God empowering you to do it? How effective are you at doing it? If you are not being effective, why do you continue doing it?

  58. Priscilla
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